Fram Endurance / Walmart End of Life ?

[Revving2Redline]

Compared to the OEM Honda Factory filter, I'm content with using the Purolator boss, the Fram Ultra, and such. We worry about the tears and this is why we need to always keep up good oil change intervals and change the filters at a decent interval regardless of what we choose.

 

[DannyM]

I am curious if you are willing to do a test.

1. Tug on those end caps and see if they are glued firmly.
2. Soak the filter in oil for a few days then test again.

This might give us an idea if they fixed glue issues.

So far it just looks like the previous Mobil 1 filter which is obviously problematic, but if Purolator can fix the glue issues, fix the anti drain-back valve getting cut and state the efficiency accurately I would buy it.

that was @BrendanC that cut open that new Purolator.. maybe he still has it so he could check what you are asking about.

 

[BrendanC]

that was @BrendanC that cut open that new Purolator.. maybe he still has it so he could check what you are asking about.

it’s in a landfill somewhere

 

[thescreensavers]

I am curious if you are willing to do a test.

1. Tug on those end caps and see if they are glued firmly.
2. Soak the filter in oil for a few days then test again.

This might give us an idea if they fixed glue issues.

How is soaking a filter for a couple hours/days going to replicate an OCI with oil temp? Best way to check would be to run the filter and see.

 

[0dyfamily]

Disappointed that the Fram Endurance may be going away.

I ran an FE7317 (IIRC; might be a different p/n, but it was for sure an FE) for 3,300+ miles in a V6 Gen 8 Accord, enough to get it into "filter equilibrium," then pulled a sample for analysis, plus a particle count. For particles greater than 14 microns, the Fram endurance posted a very good ISO cleanliness number. It did great with oxidized solids, pulling them out of the oil.

That Fram FE was on par with an NOS Mobil 1 M1-207 filter used in another UOA / particle count trial I did later on (V6 Gen 2 Odyssey). I'd use those filter any day in those Honda V6 applications based on the test results.

Cutting apart a filter and peeking at its insides doesn't give me the information that a UOA and particle count can. Call me skeptical, but I don't think just looking at the media can tell you its efficacy and efficiency at filtering the oil, but I'm just saying that from my own limited perspective. Maybe some people can cut open a filter and do that; I'm just not one of those people with that skill set.

I'm about to get another test done, this time on a sample pulled from my V6 Acura with over a year on the oil fill (Mobil HM EP 0W-20), this one with an AmSOil Ea15K20 filter and almost 10,000 miles on the oil.

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[ZeeOSix]

Cutting apart a filter and peeking at its insides doesn't give me the information that a UOA and particle count can. Call me skeptical, but I don't think just looking at the media can tell you its efficacy and efficiency at filtering the oil ...

No visual inception of C&Ps are going to tell anything about efficiency and holding capacity ... that's what the ISO 4845-12 test is for.

Visual inspections of C&Ps is to look at how the filter survived being ran on an engine and the build quality. A virgin C&P can be used for build quality too.

 

[WiredForStereo]

Carquest premium looks pretty good. Anywhere I can find some more information on these?

Edit: Nope, Carquest advertises 99% at 30 microns.

 

[SC Maintenance]

A few years ago the Walmart filter isle was pretty much a Fram / Champion Labs isle.

Over the last couple years they have been adding more OEM, the Supertech MP went away (another Champ build). Now the M1 is from Warren - made by whichever PG sub supplier.

Who knows why Walmart is doing this, but it can't be good for First Brands. I would have to believe Walmart is the biggest seller at retail of oil filters?

If you like your Fram Endurance Filter - I would order as many as you likely want, because my guess is they will be no more at some point soon.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Carquest premium looks pretty good. Anywhere I can find some more information on these?

Edit: Nope, Carquest advertises 99% at 30 microns.

That's old Carquest Premium efficiency info when they were not PGI made. New info is 99% @20u.

 

[Sayjac]

On the video I saw on YouTube, there was a real spring. Maybe it’s dependent on model number

As has been standard practice with Purolator US filters for years, the spring type used has 'generally' been application specific. The relatively smaller filters (eg, 6607, 7317, 4967) get the 'flat' type spring, while some/many of the larger use the endcap interior coil type spring.

That said, in my long time experience with the flat type spring use, it works fine. With that, goes member @AuthorEditor practical testing posted this subforum showing the Puro flat spring functions as designed, at the rated psi. Being pragmatic, all that matters to me. So, 'I' consider both types to function as bypass "springs".

 

[Glenda W.]

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[WiredForStereo]

That's old Carquest Premium efficiency info when they were not PGI made. New info is 99% @20u.

It's their own website. Who am I supposed to believe?

http://www.carquestprofessionals.com/filters/pdf/Premium-Oil-Filters-Shell-Sheet.PDF

 

[I<3oil]

It's their own website. Who am I supposed to believe?

http://www.carquestprofessionals.com/filters/pdf/Premium-Oil-Filters-Shell-Sheet.PDF

It's also just for that specific filter.

 

[ZeeOSix]

It's their own website. Who am I supposed to believe?

http://www.carquestprofessionals.com/filters/pdf/Premium-Oil-Filters-Shell-Sheet.PDF

That looks like old info in the link PDF above. The picture of the Carquest Premium filter in that link doesn't look like a PGI made filter. The box shown is also the old box design.

Here's more current info. @Glenda W. has posted a link to the PDF a few times.

 

[DannyM]

It's their own website. Who am I supposed to believe?

http://www.carquestprofessionals.com/filters/pdf/Premium-Oil-Filters-Shell-Sheet.PDF

yes it is on their site but they obviously left that older PDF up... you can see where it says nitrile gasket under "value features" but the current filters show silicone gasket.

Now all the info is on every page for the specific filter like the 84356 below and you can see silicone gasket and 99.5%@20:

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p...rotection-up-to-10-000-miles-84356/10555794-P

 

[nthach]

A few years ago the Walmart filter isle was pretty much a Fram / Champion Labs isle.

Over the last couple years they have been adding more OEM, the Supertech MP went away (another Champ build). Now the M1 is from Warren - made by whichever PG sub supplier.

Who knows why Walmart is doing this, but it can't be good for First Brands. I would have to believe Walmart is the biggest seller at retail of oil filters?

If you like your Fram Endurance Filter - I would order as many as you likely want, because my guess is they will be no more at some point soon.

A long time ago, the filter wall at the FLAPS was all orange Fram. Then, AutoZone entered a branding agreement with STP(Energizer) and branded Champ and now Premium Guard. O’Reilly was in bed with Wix, but PG took over the Microgard catalog. Ditto with Advance/Carquest.

My local WM still has plenty of Fram but that might be changing. I think M+H is reeling from Advance scaling back and Premium Guard winning more private label programs.

 

[WiredForStereo]

I wish there was a compendium of basic information for filters. Really, the only thing I want to know is a standard efficiency rating, say 99%, and what micron rating 99% sits at.

Donaldson claims 99% at 15 microns.

Also, I would love big a__ filters. The bigger the better.

I run Amsoil EaO34s on all my lawn care equipment and small engines. Probably have three times the filter area as the stock Briggs and Stratton. The oil never really gets black. It just gets dark brown and remains translucent.

 

[WiredForStereo]

My local WM still has plenty of Fram but that might be changing. I think M+H is reeling from Advance scaling back and Premium Guard winning more private label programs.

Walmart does whatever makes the most money, whatever pennies they can squeeze out of the manufacturers, whoever they can avoid paying the longest, etc.

I will happily pay premium money for premium products. But I will not pay for prestige, name brand, etc.

 

[Glenda W.]

That looks like old info in the link PDF above. The picture of the Carquest Premium filter in that link doesn't look like a PGI made filter. The box shown is also the old box design.

Here's more current info. @Glenda W. has posted a link to the PDF a few times.

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Yes, this is the most current efficiency of PG made CQP filters. 99.5%@20 microns.

 

[Bkdc]

The tiny 8 inlet holes of the Purolator versus the massive holes on a Toyota Denso filter or the Fram Endurance makes he hesitant to use the Purolator…. This aside from my aversion to the flat spring. The difference in surface area for oil inflow looks to be easily 3-fold. This may not be a bottleneck but the inlet holes on an Endurance are massive and put my mind at ease.