Ford Chemical Catalog

[Big Jim]

Not exactly an article, but a pdf catalog of Ford chemicals, including Motor Oils, ATF, Manual Trans Fluids, Coolants, Paint, and other stuff. Sometimes it is a bit hard to get much detail on Ford stuff, but this tells a lot. It is about 100 pages.

http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/fad/pdf/catalog.pdf

 

[ford390gashog]

thats great i never knew they made all that stuff

 

[Pablo]

Actually that's pretty cool. Thanks for posting!

They make a "semi-syn"

that's 0W-30? I didn't know that!

 

[ekrampitzjr]

There are some interesting nuggets in this catalogue that need to be discussed on other threads:

1. In pages 9-10 (the numbered pages on the document, not the PDF pages), the 15W-40, 10W-30, and 0W-30 diesel motor oils that meet API CH-4 or CI-4 all have a stern warning: "Do not use in gasoline engines equipped with catalysts." The 15W-40 and 0W-30 are nonetheless listed as meeting API SL, which was just obsoleted for gasoline engines by SM. Some BITOG threads months back noted that a number of motor oils for diesel engines were appearing with no API Sx rating or actually said not to use in gasoline engines. The catalyst warning here is the first time I've seen a reason. So what is in the diesel oils that kills catalysts, phosphorus, perhaps?

The straight SAE 30 shown on page 11 has no such warning against use in gasoline engines, but it meets CF/CF-2 instead of the newer CI spec and lists no Sx spec.

2. On page 26 and again in a note with a chart on pp. 71-72, Ford explicitly says not to use anything but the original green antifreeze on vehicles made before 1999. The longer-life yellow (Premium Gold) and the Dex-Cool compatible orange (Specialty Orange) are not to be used in these older vehicles. Ford also says not to use the orange (Dex-Cool) in any vehicle but the two specific models listed. Some BITOG threads have discussed switching to longer-life coolants or Dex-Cool in older vehicles, and the consensus seemed to be that there would be no harm. So why would Ford have these stipulations?

Now for what I suspect is a boo-boo: on page 66 the automatic transmission fluid chart shows the venerable C-6 using Mercon all the way back to 1977, the first year of the chart. I seem to recall that the C-6 used Type F until roughly 1985. The pages discussing these fluids warn not to use any Mercon fluid in a transmission that used Type F, so this isn't a case of allowing a retrofit.

Comments?

Oh, and why did Ford set up the PDF to jump from page 92 to page 151? What would be on the missing pages in the printed catalogue?

 

[Big Jim]

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Originally posted by ekrampitzjr:

Now for what I suspect is a boo-boo: on page 66 the automatic transmission fluid chart shows the venerable C-6 using Mercon all the way back to 1977, the first year of the chart. I seem to recall that the C-6 used Type F until roughly 1985. The pages discussing these fluids warn not to use any Mercon fluid in a transmission that used Type F, so this isn't a case of allowing a retrofit.

Comments?

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Ford moved away from type F fluid in the C6 as I remember in late 76. The new fluid was called "CJ". The "CJ" spec as well as the "H" spec used on the early Escorts evolved into "Mercon" One of the interesting things about the transition away from type F is that although the dipstick said to use CJ on the late 76, the owners manual and shop manual said to use type F. Ford published a TSB stating that their official stand, for consistancy, was that type F was to be used for all of 76 and that CJ was to used for all 77 and newer.

What's even funnier is that most transmission shops had been using Dexron in Ford transmissions already for years.

 

[Big Jim]

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Originally posted by ekrampitzjr:

2. On page 26 and again in a note with a chart on pp. 71-72, Ford explicitly says not to use anything but the original green antifreeze on vehicles made before 1999. The longer-life yellow (Premium Gold) and the Dex-Cool compatible orange (Specialty Orange) are not to be used in these older vehicles. Ford also says not to use the orange (Dex-Cool) in any vehicle but the two specific models listed. Some BITOG threads have discussed switching to longer-life coolants or Dex-Cool in older vehicles, and the consensus seemed to be that there would be no harm. So why would Ford have these stipulations?

Comments?

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I'm sure that most of it is that Ford doesn't want to spend the money to do the validation testing needed to put their stamp of approval back any further that the 99 model year. It's mostly a CYA thing. At least that's my thought.

I'm one of those that has Dexcool in a car that is not on that list. I have a 98 Contour SVT that has had Dexcool in it since it was a year old. What is interesting is that I cannot find any difference in the part numbers for the head gaskets or water pumps between my car and the Cougars that are specified for Dexcool. I'm a Dexcool believer. But not enough of one to put Dexcool in my 03 Escape. For it I use G05 since it is much better than the old conventional green to start with I see no need to switch away from G05.

 

[eljefino]

Page 14, the CVT chain transmission fluid is BLUE.

P 17, they have TWO synthetic 75w90 axle lubes... the premium (for the GT) and not-so-premium-full-synthetic.

page 35 is a kit with four cans of "structural foam" for the 2002 explorer/mountaineer. This fixes an issue covered by a TSB. FOUR CANS?

Page 59 admits the API uses other makes GM 3.8s, Nissan 2.4s, as well as Ford 4.6s in their engine oil tests.

Page 69 notes "Gulf Coast Consulate" vehicles get more refrigerant, presumably due to bigger A/C systems.