Fiber End Disc ?? What you think?

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Whimsey
The only fiber end disc oil filter I knowingly used was the Fram orange can. In my Fords that I used them in I had consistent dry starts from poor anti drain back valve action. This may have had nothing to due with the fiber end caps/discs.

Whimsey


It could have been related to the fiber end caps if the fiber end cap wasn't very thick and stiff, and deformed enough to where the ADBV wouldn't seal 100% against the end cap.


Its the nitrile ADBV, if you have every cut open an orange can you can tell the ADBV isnt made of the highest quality materials. The TG and Ultra however, are of great quality.


True, nitrile isn't as good as silicone. But as I said above, if the fiber end cap deforms too much during use, it could cause the ADBV to leak regardless of the materiel it's made of.

 

[KCJeep]

The nitrile ADBV's on the orange cans I've cut are the flimsiest I've ever handled. A penny or two more per filter could probably correct that.

Never the less they still work well for me in some applications, like our aging Lumina, but anything picky about ADBV's like the Jeep, forget it.

 

[David1]

Originally Posted By: Whimsey
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
. And I still have a soft spot for Motorcrafts even though several have been posted on here with metal endcaps that popped off.


With the spring pressure in the can holding everything tight does it really matter unless you cut the can open? The only fiber end disc oil filter I knowingly used was the Fram orange can. In my Fords that I used them in I had consistent dry starts from poor anti drain back valve action. This may have had nothing to due with the fiber end caps/discs.

Whimsey


Actually even FORD Motorcraft filters had the same exact problem.... There was a time and even now some Motorcraft Oil Filters have black ( NON SILICONE ) ADBV and it did just want you said.

Then Ford Enineieers figured to use Silcone ADBV and that fixed that very same problem.

Also there are some oil filters that have NO ADBV.... Since the Oil Filter sits FLAT / LEVEL with there is no way oil can drain out.. I saw this on my 2007 Trial Blazer when I went to get a FRAM TOUGH GAURD Oil filter for it.. Matter of fact 90% of the oil filters sold for my Trial blazer will say ADBV * NONE *

Like this.

Here spec for A/C DELCO Part No. PF61 ** NOTICE Anti-Drainback Valve: NONE

Anti-Drainback Valve: No
Case Diameter: 2.982 in
Efficiency: 98% @ 30mc mc
Filter Bypass Relief Valve: No
Filter Type/Category: 3" Oil
Gasket Inside Diameter: 2.39 in
Gasket Outside Diameter: 2.76 in
Height: 4.44 in
Maximum Burst Pressure: 300 PSI
Oil Filter Type: 3" Oil
Spin On: Yes
Thread Size: 13/16-16 UNS


Now look at the PURE ONE Part number PL25288 ... This is ODD.. NO BY PASS. but it has a ADBV

Anti-Drainback Valve: Yes
Filter Bypass Relief Valve: No
Filter Type/Category: Spin On
Gasket Inside Diameter: 2.398 in
Gasket Outside Diameter: 2.752 in
Height: 4.02 in
Maximum Burst Pressure: 300 PSI
Micron Rating: > 5 mc
Recommended Change Interval: Use OE Recommendation
Spin On: Yes
Thread Size: 13/16-16

Evem K&N and FRAM and ALL have no ADBV or have a ADBV but none have BYpass..
Strange huh

Look at this filter

Bosch Distance Plus High-Performance Oil Filter
Part No. D3423

Anti-Drainback Valve: Yes
Color: Blue

Even ROYAL PURPLE dont...
Royal Purple Oil Filter
Part No. 20-59

Product Features:
Diameter: 3 in
Efficiency: 40 mc
Filter Bypass Relief Valve: No
Gasket Inside Diameter: 2.398 in
Gasket Outside Diameter: 2.76 in
Height: 4.02 in
Length: 4.02 in
Maximum Burst Pressure: 450 PSI
Media: Synthetic and Cellulose Blend
Micron Rating: 40 mc
Oil Filter Type: Spin-on
Outside Diameter: 3 in
Recommended Change Interval: Per Vehicle Manufacturer's Recommendation and Oil
Seal Inside Diameter: 2.398 in
Seal Outside Diameter: 2.76 in
Spin On: Yes
Thread Size: 13/16-16
Type: Premium Oil Filter

 

[Oregoonian]

Originally Posted By: salv
Fiber end caps are not s problem at all. Not only do they seal to the media better, but they offer some flexibility, so when the media is getting pushed or pulled by the oil in a low flow scenario, it doesn't tear.


Then why do you think Fram switched to metal end caps on their top-of-the-line ULTRA?

 

[901Memphis]

Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Originally Posted By: salv
Fiber end caps are not s problem at all. Not only do they seal to the media better, but they offer some flexibility, so when the media is getting pushed or pulled by the oil in a low flow scenario, it doesn't tear.


Then why do you think Fram switched to metal end caps on their top-of-the-line ULTRA?



The Fram Ultra has two layers of media sandwiched with a wire screen, it's simply not going to move or rip. You need the metal caps for the extra thick media.

I've never seen a Fram Ultra with a rip or Wavy media for that matter. I consider that my go to filter now.

 

[kalloggs40]

I always use FRAM extraguard on my 3000miles oil changes, it costs me between $29-45 to get one delivered from USA PH7317 for my wifes car and PH5752 for my car.

Why do i pay so much?

I like fiber end caps
Never failed on me
Engine is always clean and oil is like Honey even after 3k miles
I like orange
I like the suregrip
I like supporting American companies and small shops i buy them from. From all over USA on ebay.
I like having to wait for one to arrive from Merica oh yeah!!!
Am i American living in Australia? NO i am Greek living in Australia but i love supporting Americans as they are the role model of western modern life, and the ones that fight against those that want to destroy us and the freedom we have.
Its called Boycotting, my money only is only spent on western made products when possible, 90% of the time.

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
I always use FRAM extraguard on my 3000miles oil changes,it costs me between $29-45 ...

Most any oil filter should easily handle a 3k nmi. oci, even the China sourced DriveWorks will easily get that.

As for paying $29-45 just to use an orange can for 3k miles..

To each their own.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Quote:
I always use FRAM extraguard on my 3000miles oil changes,it costs me between $29-45 ...

Most any oil filter should easily handle a 3k nmi. oci, even the China sourced DriveWorks will easily get that.

As for paying $29-45 just to use an orange can for 3k miles..

To each their own.


I would at least get the tough guard myself. Might not be too terribly more seeing how shipping is your obvious expense here.