Factory oil. Change it out at about 1,500 miles ?
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Triple_Se7en
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Do you actually think you'll find rice or sushi in that oil if you change it today?...lol
In the old days, metal cuts were not done by computers... ala... micro-digital tooling technology. If Toyota still uses old tooling methods & I seriously doubt it coming from a superior manufacturer like that, then maybe metal shavings numbers could possibly reach unsafe numbers. I buy American-owned GM products that uses micro-digital technology, so my biggest concern upon my new truck arrival was not metal cuts or food found in the oil.... just cigarette butts, spilled beverages & urine - after hearing some horror stories from friends who work/worked in Detroit plants... lol
It's a guessing game what may be in your new vehicle engine. Odds are, there's nothing there & the dealer oils provide good lubrication for the entire mileage allowances found in your new vehicle manual.
I change my first oil-out at 3500 miles with my new vehicles. BTW... I never buy "Detroit-made" vehicles either. If you suspect 'foul play" or poor craftsmanship, then change it immediately. A good home oil change using an approved quality dino oil & filter is usually under $15. Just save your store receipts in case it's needed at a later date.
[ July 10, 2005, 10:58 AM: Message edited by: Triple_Se7en ]
In the old days, metal cuts were not done by computers... ala... micro-digital tooling technology. If Toyota still uses old tooling methods & I seriously doubt it coming from a superior manufacturer like that, then maybe metal shavings numbers could possibly reach unsafe numbers. I buy American-owned GM products that uses micro-digital technology, so my biggest concern upon my new truck arrival was not metal cuts or food found in the oil.... just cigarette butts, spilled beverages & urine - after hearing some horror stories from friends who work/worked in Detroit plants... lol
It's a guessing game what may be in your new vehicle engine. Odds are, there's nothing there & the dealer oils provide good lubrication for the entire mileage allowances found in your new vehicle manual.
I change my first oil-out at 3500 miles with my new vehicles. BTW... I never buy "Detroit-made" vehicles either. If you suspect 'foul play" or poor craftsmanship, then change it immediately. A good home oil change using an approved quality dino oil & filter is usually under $15. Just save your store receipts in case it's needed at a later date.
[ July 10, 2005, 10:58 AM: Message edited by: Triple_Se7en ]
The Toyota V-8 is probably one of the easiest on oil. I would just follow the manufacturer's first OCI recommendation. I also would switch to a synthetic such as Mobil One 5w30. (if that is the viscosity Toyota recommends) I have been running Mobil One 5w30 with 15,000 mile intervals in Toyota Landcruisers' approaching 2 decades and with over 694,000 miles with no sludge or engine concerns in 5 TLC's.
Since I have other than Toyota's, one, a Honda Civic has gone the oem recommended 10,000 miles with oem factory conventional oil.
I did an OCI at 1600 miles on a 2001 Corvette Z06. It was a complete and utter waste of time, money, resources. The oil looked like it was just poured from a new bottle. After than, I kept the recommended 15,000 mile OCI's. It is now approaching 70k miles. Again no engine or sludge concerns.
[ July 10, 2005, 01:49 PM: Message edited by: ruking77 ]
Since I have other than Toyota's, one, a Honda Civic has gone the oem recommended 10,000 miles with oem factory conventional oil.
I did an OCI at 1600 miles on a 2001 Corvette Z06. It was a complete and utter waste of time, money, resources. The oil looked like it was just poured from a new bottle. After than, I kept the recommended 15,000 mile OCI's. It is now approaching 70k miles. Again no engine or sludge concerns.
[ July 10, 2005, 01:49 PM: Message edited by: ruking77 ]
Hi,
I have a 2005 Toyota Corolla 1.8 I4 and changed the oil out at 1k miles.
I also did a UOA just to find out what was in there. I've always changed out my new outfits oil at 500 to 1000 miles. All of my engines that I've owned from new are still doing great.. (with the exception of 2 Fords I had.. But that was design problems not maint!)
here is the UOA 1k Factory fill
In my mind...
I think a $5 oil filter and less than $10 worth of oil and some bonding time with the new outfit is worth it....
enjoy the new ride!
take care, Bill
I have a 2005 Toyota Corolla 1.8 I4 and changed the oil out at 1k miles.
I also did a UOA just to find out what was in there. I've always changed out my new outfits oil at 500 to 1000 miles. All of my engines that I've owned from new are still doing great.. (with the exception of 2 Fords I had.. But that was design problems not maint!)
here is the UOA 1k Factory fill
In my mind...
enjoy the new ride!
take care, Bill
I would agree 100% and do the transmission ? differential, S.A.E studies have proven this procedure will double the life of the components. This is not an opinion of the I think I know people, but by research .quote:
Originally posted by Bill in Utah:
Hi,
I have a 2005 Toyota Corolla 1.8 I4 and changed the oil out at 1k miles.
I also did a UOA just to find out what was in there. I've always changed out my new outfits oil at 500 to 1000 miles. All of my engines that I've owned from new are still doing great.. (with the exception of 2 Fords I had.. But that was design problems not maint!)
here is the UOA 1k Factory fill
In my mind...I think a $5 oil filter and less than $10 worth of oil and some bonding time with the new outfit is worth it....
enjoy the new ride!
take care, Bill
I have not changed out my Transaxle yet, but will by the end of the month. It will get done before 22k miles.
On my truck and my Dads 2002 Chev, we have changed out everything (ft/rear axles, transfer case, manual trans in mine and ATF on his.)
Oil is cheaper than parts...
Take care, bill
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I've been paid good money of the years to analyze contaminants in lubrication systems. I can tell you first-hand there are a lot of contaminants from the factory in factory-filled engines. Clean as they may be, they just aren't clean enough for my tastes to justify leaving factory fill in an engine for over 1000 miles. I don't know what the mileage should be, but is should be considerably less. Factories are still dirty places and not Class B clean-room facilities. The level of contaminants in factory-filled engines is significant.
My lubricant colleagues go so far as to recommend the first change as soon as you pick up the new car.... then again at 100 to 1000 miles, after that you can follow the manufacturer-recommended schedule (or every 3K). This may be a bit anal, but there is some merit to this recommendation.
Some may say that they never change out the factory fill until the 4K mark then successfully run their engines to 250K, but for those being anal about oil and discussing things like wiping the dipstick with our fingers and the differences between 5W-30 and 10W-30 oils, let's not forget how dirty factory fill can be!
There is only 1 time I would say to replace the factory fill out and that would be to install synthetic in there. If it came with synthetic oil, leave it in there. My CTS 3.6L did and I am at 3,800 miles in 2 months.
Change it.. Heck I would have changed it at 500. Just waited to 1k on wifes new Trailblazer(thank you gm employee prices)and I likend to have died waiting that long but with 7 qts in that inline 6 I chanced fate....=)
New engine. No plans on selling..... run the machine forever to maximize value of new vehicle purchase.
First oil change.... 500 miles. Another at 1,000... then 1,500. Again at 3,000.
Now, 3,500 to 5,000 depending upon driving style for the period. Long trips on the highway? longer interval. Winter with cold start-ups, shorter in-town drives? Change sooner!!!!
I always beat the GM oil change reminder light.
I never did smell napalm in the morning but those anti-aircraft missiles were groovy.
First oil change.... 500 miles. Another at 1,000... then 1,500. Again at 3,000.
Now, 3,500 to 5,000 depending upon driving style for the period. Long trips on the highway? longer interval. Winter with cold start-ups, shorter in-town drives? Change sooner!!!!
I always beat the GM oil change reminder light.
I never did smell napalm in the morning but those anti-aircraft missiles were groovy.
Just to stir the pot, I think MotoMan's break-in procedure and recommendations have more empirical evidence for soundness behind them than any other I've seen or heard of:
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
In short, engine ring seating happens in the first 20 miles of operation, so get the oil up to temp and load the engine to get those rings seated ASAP. After 20 miles, change the oil to get all the machining junk outta there. Manufacturer recommendations for break-in are probably developed around limiting liability for operator error while the driver becomes familar with a new vehicle, not for maximum engine life and power.
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
In short, engine ring seating happens in the first 20 miles of operation, so get the oil up to temp and load the engine to get those rings seated ASAP. After 20 miles, change the oil to get all the machining junk outta there. Manufacturer recommendations for break-in are probably developed around limiting liability for operator error while the driver becomes familar with a new vehicle, not for maximum engine life and power.
From the looks of it, the "group vote" is split. Some are saying to change it early, while others say wait until the first scheduled oil change.
Here's something else to consider...
I'm not sure if Toyota does this, but according to Honda, they put special oil into their cars at the factory to assist with engine break-in. They recommend leaving this oil in until the first scheduled oil change.
Computer numeric controlled machining, and micropolishing of the wear surfaces, or not, ALL engines "make metal" for the first several hundred miles. It's the "final milling", aka, "break-in". It's unrealistic to assume that the factory oil filter will ferret out all the metal and casting crap leftovers. For that reason, the first oil change is the most important one in any engine's life, and I like to do mine at about 500-600 miles. The next, when the odometer reaches about 3,000 miles. Barring accidents, I keep my cars 7-10 years and I've yet to suffer mechanical failures other than non-engine related ones (water pumps, alternaters, fuel pumps, A/C problems, etc.)
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