F1 - 2018 Azerbaijan Grand Prix
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Crashstappen did it again. Two moves under braking. Ric moves, fakes right. Max moves right to block. Ric moves left to inside. Max goes left to block again. Ric lifts the kid's back tires off the ground. Why the FIA and race control lets the kid get away with double blocking moves in the brake zone is just nuts. If he keep it up, he will really hurt someone one day. Not to mention weaving on the straights. He just cannot accept that someone may be faster than him at any given point in the race, and will do anything to block and or cause a crash.
Ric gave him room earlier, Max Crash gives nobody room.
Ric gave him room earlier, Max Crash gives nobody room.
Safety car once again changes the position of the front runners.
Once again Max either with direct contact or indirect consequences keeps Vettel off the podium.
Once again Max either with direct contact or indirect consequences keeps Vettel off the podium.
Great victory for Hamilton. Bad luck for Bottas.
Calm heads eg Hamilton prevail. Vettel, Verstappen and Riccardo are not mentally in control the way Hamilton is.
Calm heads eg Hamilton prevail. Vettel, Verstappen and Riccardo are not mentally in control the way Hamilton is.
Originally Posted By: weasley
Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
I watch it on UK Channel 4, they do every qualifying session, a pre-race show, the races themselves, and a post-race recap. Got it on ROKU.
Only for some races (10 in total), not all of them. Azerbaijan has full coverage, but the next race (Spain) is highlights only.
I must admit as an onlooker to all these F1 coverage conversations I'm amused and confused about how you guys get your TV. Over here it's pretty much fixed - you sign up for a service and you get what you get; no week-to-week guesswork about what will be showing. Luckily I have a Sky TV package which includes Sky Sports F1, so get all the practices, qualifying and races live plus the various add-ons (eg Ted Kravitz's notebook how can be quite amusing and informing).
Yes, when Channel4 doesn't cover it I log onto TSN (Canada) but then I have to watch it on the computer.
What a wild race, by the way. If Vettel hadn't got antsy and waited he would have been in P1 for the end (probably).
Terrible result for Red Bull. That might come to bite them by the end of the season.
Happy to see Stroll finish P8.
Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
I watch it on UK Channel 4, they do every qualifying session, a pre-race show, the races themselves, and a post-race recap. Got it on ROKU.
Only for some races (10 in total), not all of them. Azerbaijan has full coverage, but the next race (Spain) is highlights only.
I must admit as an onlooker to all these F1 coverage conversations I'm amused and confused about how you guys get your TV. Over here it's pretty much fixed - you sign up for a service and you get what you get; no week-to-week guesswork about what will be showing. Luckily I have a Sky TV package which includes Sky Sports F1, so get all the practices, qualifying and races live plus the various add-ons (eg Ted Kravitz's notebook how can be quite amusing and informing).
Yes, when Channel4 doesn't cover it I log onto TSN (Canada) but then I have to watch it on the computer.
What a wild race, by the way. If Vettel hadn't got antsy and waited he would have been in P1 for the end (probably).
Terrible result for Red Bull. That might come to bite them by the end of the season.
Happy to see Stroll finish P8.
Originally Posted By: DeepFriar
Is Brundle OK? I missed reports of his whereabouts.
Yes, his daughter, Charlie, turned 30, and he was attending to that.
Originally Posted By: Reggaemon
Once again Max either with direct contact or indirect consequences keeps Vettel off the podium.
That little pain in the neck ruined a lot of people's races with this garbage, not least of them, his own and Ricciardo's. He causes a safety car to come out near the end, and we were lucky it didn't remain until the end of the race. Grosjean, who as it is never met a wall he didn't like, goes into the wall under the safety car, Max's fault. Then he costs Vettel by giving Bottas a free pit stop from the safety car. Then, he costs Bottas a puncture. It's unclear where the debris came from that blew up the tire. Some suggest Red Bull debris; the commentators suggested it blew in just before the puncture. Either way, if it was Red Bull debris, no Red Bull crash would have precluded it, and if it wasn't Red Bull debris, the race would have long been over before that piece of debris blew in had there been no crash in the first place. The ones that benefited most from Little Pastor's actions were Hamilton and Perez. Each time Max leaves his Red Bull on the track (i.e. like twice a weekend), he should be required to help remove it from the track and reassemble it.
Originally Posted By: CharlieBauer
Calm heads eg Hamilton prevail. Vettel, Verstappen and Riccardo are not mentally in control the way Hamilton is.
At least Vettel's failed pass was safe. He went to the outside, where no one was at risk except himself. As for being patient, in hindsight, Vettel would have inherited first when Valtteri's tire blew, but who could predict that? In the end, Verstappen is exciting and aggressive, and we want that. He's too much, though. He treats every pass he wishes to make and every defence he makes as if it's in the last five laps of the last race of the season and he's tied for first for the WDC with the person with whom he's duelling. He'll defend from a pass if it means crashing his car and he'll attack on a pass the same way. Adrian Newey was so mad he got up and stormed out before the Red Bulls even came to a halt. I suspect Helmut Marko did finally hit the roof. He wanted to build RBR around Verstappen, and may be having second thoughts.
Little Pastor has absolutely no hope of being WDC this season, yet he is insistent on everyone who has the chance to do so to be part of his collateral damage, including Bottas, Vettel, and his own team mate. Why again did they get rid of Kvyat?
Is Brundle OK? I missed reports of his whereabouts.
Yes, his daughter, Charlie, turned 30, and he was attending to that.
Originally Posted By: Reggaemon
Once again Max either with direct contact or indirect consequences keeps Vettel off the podium.
That little pain in the neck ruined a lot of people's races with this garbage, not least of them, his own and Ricciardo's. He causes a safety car to come out near the end, and we were lucky it didn't remain until the end of the race. Grosjean, who as it is never met a wall he didn't like, goes into the wall under the safety car, Max's fault. Then he costs Vettel by giving Bottas a free pit stop from the safety car. Then, he costs Bottas a puncture. It's unclear where the debris came from that blew up the tire. Some suggest Red Bull debris; the commentators suggested it blew in just before the puncture. Either way, if it was Red Bull debris, no Red Bull crash would have precluded it, and if it wasn't Red Bull debris, the race would have long been over before that piece of debris blew in had there been no crash in the first place. The ones that benefited most from Little Pastor's actions were Hamilton and Perez. Each time Max leaves his Red Bull on the track (i.e. like twice a weekend), he should be required to help remove it from the track and reassemble it.
Originally Posted By: CharlieBauer
Calm heads eg Hamilton prevail. Vettel, Verstappen and Riccardo are not mentally in control the way Hamilton is.
At least Vettel's failed pass was safe. He went to the outside, where no one was at risk except himself. As for being patient, in hindsight, Vettel would have inherited first when Valtteri's tire blew, but who could predict that? In the end, Verstappen is exciting and aggressive, and we want that. He's too much, though. He treats every pass he wishes to make and every defence he makes as if it's in the last five laps of the last race of the season and he's tied for first for the WDC with the person with whom he's duelling. He'll defend from a pass if it means crashing his car and he'll attack on a pass the same way. Adrian Newey was so mad he got up and stormed out before the Red Bulls even came to a halt. I suspect Helmut Marko did finally hit the roof. He wanted to build RBR around Verstappen, and may be having second thoughts.
Little Pastor has absolutely no hope of being WDC this season, yet he is insistent on everyone who has the chance to do so to be part of his collateral damage, including Bottas, Vettel, and his own team mate. Why again did they get rid of Kvyat?
Originally Posted By: Garak
I suspect Helmut Marko did finally hit the roof. He wanted to build RBR around Verstappen, and may be having second thoughts.
Oh I doubt that. He'll back Verstappen till the end.
What will be interesting is the prevailing wisdom appears to be that this is the beginning of the end (with Red Bull) for Ricciardo. When Marko threw Webber to the dogs because he wasn't one of his trainees, he essentially had nowhere else to go, so stuck around until he *wanted* to leave. Ricciardo is a product of the young driver program, but his old man isn't whispering sweet nothings into Red Bulls ear. He also has other options.
It would appear it is becoming clear that Verstappen is Red Bulls preferred No 1 driver. That may or may not be wise for them, but either way Ric would probably be better seeking greener pastures.
But then what would I know?
I re-watched the footage enough times. Verstappen clearly hoiks right to try and catch the dummy, then hoiks left again. Not much, but enough to scare the pants of the guy following who suddenly finds he wants brakes, but with the other car covering his airflow has none.
Sure, Daniel should know the little front bottom was likely to pull that move and he probably should have hung back, but after Max had already used Ricciardo to make a corner when he over-cooked and locked up defending he probably had an uncharacteristic case of red mist. Can't say I blame him.
I'm disappointed in Daniel. He's usually cleaner than clean, and whiter than while and that was an uncharacteristic mistake. I can't be disappointed in Max because I was expecting it.
Thankfully someone has resurrected the old "Has Maldonado Crashed today?" site and re-named it. That was one thing missing from F1
I suspect Helmut Marko did finally hit the roof. He wanted to build RBR around Verstappen, and may be having second thoughts.
Oh I doubt that. He'll back Verstappen till the end.
What will be interesting is the prevailing wisdom appears to be that this is the beginning of the end (with Red Bull) for Ricciardo. When Marko threw Webber to the dogs because he wasn't one of his trainees, he essentially had nowhere else to go, so stuck around until he *wanted* to leave. Ricciardo is a product of the young driver program, but his old man isn't whispering sweet nothings into Red Bulls ear. He also has other options.
It would appear it is becoming clear that Verstappen is Red Bulls preferred No 1 driver. That may or may not be wise for them, but either way Ric would probably be better seeking greener pastures.
But then what would I know?
I re-watched the footage enough times. Verstappen clearly hoiks right to try and catch the dummy, then hoiks left again. Not much, but enough to scare the pants of the guy following who suddenly finds he wants brakes, but with the other car covering his airflow has none.
Sure, Daniel should know the little front bottom was likely to pull that move and he probably should have hung back, but after Max had already used Ricciardo to make a corner when he over-cooked and locked up defending he probably had an uncharacteristic case of red mist. Can't say I blame him.
I'm disappointed in Daniel. He's usually cleaner than clean, and whiter than while and that was an uncharacteristic mistake. I can't be disappointed in Max because I was expecting it.
Thankfully someone has resurrected the old "Has Maldonado Crashed today?" site and re-named it. That was one thing missing from F1
I just watched it. I'm really getting sick of Verstappen. He's only going to get worse.
Originally Posted By: Brad_C
Oh I doubt that. He'll back Verstappen till the end.
I didn't mean it was all that bad, that they'd be actually getting rid of Max soon, but Dr. Marko might be having a couple second thoughts here and there. Yes, Ricciardo, too, should have expected the worst from Max, but maybe that's a good thing. The only way Max will stop doing his excessive movement in braking zones is if it starts actually costing him dearly. If he winds up with another car coming up his rear end and giving him a DNF each time he does something like this, he'll stop.
He's just been way too lucky with little things like this over his RBR career. I mean, he's certainly had enough DNFs, but he got away with much damage for a few of them, and before, few points were at risk, so it didn't matter, and no one penalized him, no one ran him off track. That starts happening, he might learn something.
Oh I doubt that. He'll back Verstappen till the end.
I didn't mean it was all that bad, that they'd be actually getting rid of Max soon, but Dr. Marko might be having a couple second thoughts here and there. Yes, Ricciardo, too, should have expected the worst from Max, but maybe that's a good thing. The only way Max will stop doing his excessive movement in braking zones is if it starts actually costing him dearly. If he winds up with another car coming up his rear end and giving him a DNF each time he does something like this, he'll stop.
He's just been way too lucky with little things like this over his RBR career. I mean, he's certainly had enough DNFs, but he got away with much damage for a few of them, and before, few points were at risk, so it didn't matter, and no one penalized him, no one ran him off track. That starts happening, he might learn something.
What a bunch of clowns. The two red bull cars crash into each other. Then Just as the safety car is coming off another clown "warming up his tires" crashes into the wall. So more safety cars. Then with like 1 lap to good the Ferrari driver freaks out and goes way to deep into the corner because he is afraid of Hamilton.
Maybe they should join NASCAR and F1 together. Bunch of Clowns
Maybe they should join NASCAR and F1 together. Bunch of Clowns
Well, it's hard to get rid of the safety car, unless they're simply going to red flag everything, which would be fine if they let them work on the cars like used to happen periodically in the past.
Grosjean's disaster was finally properly explained. It wasn't "cold tires," like was his original excuse. He inadvertently set something terribly wrong with the differential while weaving and blundered off.
I still like the video as broadcast of the RBR crash as it happened. I think Adrian Newey stormed off before either driver got out of his car. He did not look impressed. When Valtteri's tire blew, Niki looked pretty aghast, too.
Grosjean's disaster was finally properly explained. It wasn't "cold tires," like was his original excuse. He inadvertently set something terribly wrong with the differential while weaving and blundered off.
I still like the video as broadcast of the RBR crash as it happened. I think Adrian Newey stormed off before either driver got out of his car. He did not look impressed. When Valtteri's tire blew, Niki looked pretty aghast, too.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Grosjean's disaster was finally properly explained. It wasn't "cold tires," like was his original excuse. He inadvertently set something terribly wrong with the differential while weaving and blundered off.
He basically lost it scrubbing in his tires. A move that up until now was reserved for Jennifer Jo Cobb.
Grosjean's disaster was finally properly explained. It wasn't "cold tires," like was his original excuse. He inadvertently set something terribly wrong with the differential while weaving and blundered off.
He basically lost it scrubbing in his tires. A move that up until now was reserved for Jennifer Jo Cobb.
I lol'd at Mt. Grojean's faux pas. The eruption was even more entertaining.
If Gene Haas wanted to establish a team his home country could really root for, he'd wipe the slate clean, starting with the twit team principal and hire at least one American driver. But that's never really been his aim...
I had a flashback to Mansell '86 after Bottas' incident.
If Gene Haas wanted to establish a team his home country could really root for, he'd wipe the slate clean, starting with the twit team principal and hire at least one American driver. But that's never really been his aim...
I had a flashback to Mansell '86 after Bottas' incident.
Originally Posted By: Carmudgeon
I lol'd at Mt. Grojean's faux pas. The eruption was even more entertaining.
If Gene Haas wanted to establish a team his home country could really root for, he'd wipe the slate clean, starting with the twit team principal and hire at least one American driver. But that's never really been his aim...
I had a flashback to Mansell '86 after Bottas' incident.
That whole team is about as "American" as a Japanese kid driving a Civic with one of those 4" diameter exhaust pipes, that sound like a Killer Bee invasion.
I lol'd at Mt. Grojean's faux pas. The eruption was even more entertaining.
If Gene Haas wanted to establish a team his home country could really root for, he'd wipe the slate clean, starting with the twit team principal and hire at least one American driver. But that's never really been his aim...
I had a flashback to Mansell '86 after Bottas' incident.
That whole team is about as "American" as a Japanese kid driving a Civic with one of those 4" diameter exhaust pipes, that sound like a Killer Bee invasion.
Originally Posted By: billt460
He basically lost it scrubbing in his tires. A move that up until now was reserved for Jennifer Jo Cobb.
Oh come on. He admitted he bumped his brake bias switch and set it to pretty much full rear, so when he stomped the pedal the rear locked up and he lost it. Sure, dumb mistake, but not as dumb as just seriously getting it crossed up performing a routine act.
He basically lost it scrubbing in his tires. A move that up until now was reserved for Jennifer Jo Cobb.
Oh come on. He admitted he bumped his brake bias switch and set it to pretty much full rear, so when he stomped the pedal the rear locked up and he lost it. Sure, dumb mistake, but not as dumb as just seriously getting it crossed up performing a routine act.
Originally Posted By: billt460
That whole team is about as "American" as a Japanese kid driving a Civic with one of those 4" diameter exhaust pipes, that sound like a Killer Bee invasion.
That they can turn right as well as left is demonstration of that
That whole team is about as "American" as a Japanese kid driving a Civic with one of those 4" diameter exhaust pipes, that sound like a Killer Bee invasion.
That they can turn right as well as left is demonstration of that
Originally Posted By: Brad_C
Originally Posted By: billt460
He basically lost it scrubbing in his tires. A move that up until now was reserved for Jennifer Jo Cobb.
Oh come on. He admitted he bumped his brake bias switch and set it to pretty much full rear, so when he stomped the pedal the rear locked up and he lost it. Sure, dumb mistake, but not as dumb as just seriously getting it crossed up performing a routine act.
As I said, he lost it scrubbing in his tires. The front wheels were locked when he hit the wall.
Originally Posted By: billt460
He basically lost it scrubbing in his tires. A move that up until now was reserved for Jennifer Jo Cobb.
Oh come on. He admitted he bumped his brake bias switch and set it to pretty much full rear, so when he stomped the pedal the rear locked up and he lost it. Sure, dumb mistake, but not as dumb as just seriously getting it crossed up performing a routine act.
As I said, he lost it scrubbing in his tires. The front wheels were locked when he hit the wall.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Brad_C
Oh I doubt that. He'll back Verstappen till the end.
I didn't mean it was all that bad, that they'd be actually getting rid of Max soon, but Dr. Marko might be having a couple second thoughts here and there. Yes, Ricciardo, too, should have expected the worst from Max, but maybe that's a good thing. The only way Max will stop doing his excessive movement in braking zones is if it starts actually costing him dearly. If he winds up with another car coming up his rear end and giving him a DNF each time he does something like this, he'll stop.
He's just been way too lucky with little things like this over his RBR career. I mean, he's certainly had enough DNFs, but he got away with much damage for a few of them, and before, few points were at risk, so it didn't matter, and no one penalized him, no one ran him off track. That starts happening, he might learn something.
Max has been doing that double-fade, mirror-drive thing in braking zones since he got in F1, and has always gotten away with it. Now the FIA needs to disqualify him from a race if he does it again.
Originally Posted By: Brad_C
Oh I doubt that. He'll back Verstappen till the end.
I didn't mean it was all that bad, that they'd be actually getting rid of Max soon, but Dr. Marko might be having a couple second thoughts here and there. Yes, Ricciardo, too, should have expected the worst from Max, but maybe that's a good thing. The only way Max will stop doing his excessive movement in braking zones is if it starts actually costing him dearly. If he winds up with another car coming up his rear end and giving him a DNF each time he does something like this, he'll stop.
He's just been way too lucky with little things like this over his RBR career. I mean, he's certainly had enough DNFs, but he got away with much damage for a few of them, and before, few points were at risk, so it didn't matter, and no one penalized him, no one ran him off track. That starts happening, he might learn something.
Max has been doing that double-fade, mirror-drive thing in braking zones since he got in F1, and has always gotten away with it. Now the FIA needs to disqualify him from a race if he does it again.
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Exactly. He'll only stop it when he starts paying the piper for it each and every time. Nothing would please me more than him watching a race from the paddock, and not because he trashed it in his usual first lap hijinx, either.
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