F1 - 2016 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

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They hinted during the broadcast that fines may be allowed for within the team. I'm sure benching would also be allowed. That was hinted at after he and Nico collided way back when.

As an aside, I do have one complaint about Ricciardo. As affable and happy as he seems to be, ever notice that after every race he winds up struggling a bit or being behind Verstappen, he grouses that he should have been on the same strategy as Verstappen? He does that each and every time he has issues.

I wonder when the new sponsorship details are going to be announced. It was thought that Exxon-Mobil would have announced the switch formally just before this weekend.
 
I lost a bit of respect for Lewis yesterday. did you see til the end when they had coverage in the cool down room? Lewis did not congratulate Nico, he prob knew Nico was [censored]. then on the podium Coulthard made them shake twice, and all the nice things said were [censored].

Starting on lap 49 when the team began asking Lewis to speed up, I had a flashback of Senna in 91. last race at Suzuka. Senna leading, Berger 2nd. Senna had the world title and radioed the team to tell Berger to go thru for the win. Gerhard was so happy even tho it was a gift and it really cemented the team together, and their relationship most of all.

Ok, Lewis did not win the championship so that part is not the same...and I am not 100% sure he was wrong to say there was a conspiracy to make his car fail when it did this year. In fact, I'm 65+% sure he is right. That must burn

The bottom line is this: What if Lewis had decided the championship was lost with Nico 2nd, and with wonderboy Max closing, then Seb taking over on fresher tires, what if Lewis had said, let's create a gap and i'll let you pass at Turn ____. Then Lewis would take 2nd and slow down a little to be a protector to Nico...allowing his to cruise home. I tell you, people would talk about it for 100 years, like they will still be talking about Sterling Moss giving Fangio his car to win the championship.

The relentless will to win is admired, but selfless acts are what people still talk about decades later, even generations later. Those 1,500 on the team would have been even happier, and Lewis' stock would go up tremendously in their eyes, the Merc board, all of Germany, and hundreds of millions of F1 fans (and non-F1 fans) the world over. I know he experienced tremendous adversity growing up in karting, ive seen the interviews where he said parents would tell him he did not belong in karting for his race... but he could have elevated himself so high yesterday
 
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ProjUltraZ]I lost a bit of respect for Lewis yesterday. did you see til the end when they had coverage in the cool down room? Lewis did not congratulate Nico, he prob knew Nico was [censored]. then on the podium Coulthard made them shake twice, and all the nice things said were [censored].

Starting on lap 49 when the team began asking Lewis to speed up, I had a flashback of Senna in 91. last race at Suzuka. Senna leading, Berger 2nd. Senna had the world title and radioed the team to tell Berger to go thru for the win. Gerhard was so happy even tho it was a gift and it really cemented the team together, and their relationship most of all.

Ok, Lewis did not win the championship so that part is not the same...and I am not 100% sure he was wrong to say there was a conspiracy to make his car fail when it did this year. In fact, I'm 65+% sure he is right. That must burn

The bottom line is this: What if Lewis had decided the championship was lost with Nico 2nd, and with wonderboy Max closing, then Seb taking over on fresher tires, what if Lewis had said, let's create a gap and i'll let you pass at Turn ____. Then Lewis would take 2nd and slow down a little to be a protector to Nico...allowing his to cruise home. I tell you, people would talk about it for 100 years, like they will still be talking about Sterling Moss giving Fangio his car to win the championship.

The relentless will to win is admired, but selfless acts are what people still talk about decades later, even generations later. Those 1,500 on the team would have been even happier, and Lewis' stock would go up tremendously in their eyes, the Merc board, all of Germany, and hundreds of millions of F1 fans (and non-F1 fans) the world over. I know he experienced tremendous adversity growing up in karting, ive seen the interviews where he said parents would tell him he did not belong in karting for his race... but he could have elevated himself so high yesterday


I've been losing respect for him for a while now. All of this is really going to his head. And in a negative way. I agree with you. If he had let Rosberg go through, then ran blocker for him, it would have spoken volumes of his sportsmanship. And it would have been something Nico would have never forgotten. Instead he chose to risk Rosberg's championship by acting like a selfish little brat. It reminded me of Schumacher parking his car in the way of traffic at Monaco. Or when Alonso blocked Hamilton in the pit during their McLaren days, so he didn't have a shot at knocking him off the pole. F1 doesn't need those kind of silly, childish antics.
 
I can see it both ways but it doesn't mean I like it. From MB's point of view they were taking a PR hit with Lewis doing what HE wanted both in the tactic being applied and refusing the Paddy Lowe (sp?) order. In other words it made the team look bad and Hamilton could have cared less. He better have another ride next year, I wouldn't want to depend on the good will of the MB mechanics. And he thinks he had a problem with them this year..... You reap what you sow you arrogant twit.
 
Yes, Lewis was acting like a spoiled brat when he said "I've lost the championship, and I'm leading the race. I'm very comfortable where I am." F1 is a team sport, and the correct statement from a team player in this situation would have been "I've lost the championship, but I'm going to help my teammate win it." Refusing team orders should get a 3-race suspension in the next season.
 
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Refusing team orders should get a 3-race suspension in the next season.


I agree. How long would a NFL quarterback last if he ran whatever play he wanted, when he wanted? Instead of running what the offensive coach TOLD him to run? My guess is he would be warming the bench with his a$$ real quick.
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Yes, Lewis was acting like a spoiled brat when he said "I've lost the championship, and I'm leading the race. I'm very comfortable where I am." F1 is a team sport, and the correct statement from a team player in this situation would have been "I've lost the championship, but I'm going to help my teammate win it." Refusing team orders should get a 3-race suspension in the next season.


But he hadn't lost the championship at that point. He was not going to give up on it until the chequered flag dropped. That's a racing driver's mentality. That's the mentality that the teams pay for - drive to win. This mostly meets their needs and they love it when it does. Sometimes it is unhelpful... the Scorpion & the Frog.

Despite what Paddy and others were saying, they weren't asking him to speed up to protect the win (he had that in the bag), they wanted a team 1-2, which was incompatible with what Lewis wanted.

And all this talk of "team sport" - everyone knows that the first person you have to beat is your 'team'mate. Drivers are selfish and competitive - again, it's what the teams pay them for. No driver gets to a championship title with a "no sir, after you..." attitude.

He broke no rules and did what was in his own best interests, bearing in mind the team already had the constructor's championship so they had their prize already. Commentator Jake Humphrey summed it up well: "If you don't get that Nico should have won the title you don't get F1. If you don't think Lewis should have slowed the pace you don't get F1."
 
That all sounds good. But none of it changes the FACT he disobeyed a direct team order. Yeah, they're all competitive and want to win. They are also getting paid to drive fast, and not slow. And just like any other job you get hired to do, when the guy signing the checks tells you to do something.... You do it.
 
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Yes, Lewis was acting like a spoiled brat when he said "I've lost the championship, and I'm leading the race. I'm very comfortable where I am." F1 is a team sport, and the correct statement from a team player in this situation would have been "I've lost the championship, but I'm going to help my teammate win it." Refusing team orders should get a 3-race suspension in the next season.


But he hadn't lost the championship at that point. He was not going to give up on it until the chequered flag dropped. That's a racing driver's mentality. That's the mentality that the teams pay for - drive to win. This mostly meets their needs and they love it when it does. Sometimes it is unhelpful... the Scorpion & the Frog.

Despite what Paddy and others were saying, they weren't asking him to speed up to protect the win (he had that in the bag), they wanted a team 1-2, which was incompatible with what Lewis wanted.

And all this talk of "team sport" - everyone knows that the first person you have to beat is your 'team'mate. Drivers are selfish and competitive - again, it's what the teams pay them for. No driver gets to a championship title with a "no sir, after you..." attitude.

He broke no rules and did what was in his own best interests, bearing in mind the team already had the constructor's championship so they had their prize already. Commentator Jake Humphrey summed it up well: "If you don't get that Nico should have won the title you don't get F1. If you don't think Lewis should have slowed the pace you don't get F1."

Well said.
 
I don't see anything wrong with what Hamilton did.

I do see something wrong with Paddy Lowe and MBs interference as has been apparent since the beginning of the season. It's called race fixing in my opinion.

To change the subject a little. Did anyone else notice that track limits did not seem to apply in this race
 
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To change the subject a little. Did anyone else notice that track limits did not seem to apply in this race


I forget what corner but it seemed like almost everyone were 4 off though the exit. Maybe they can use a transponder like in V8 Supercars at Suerfer's Paradise and give each car a certain number of "offs" before they get sin binned.
 
Sorry it was Peter Collins who gave his car to Fangio to secure his championship ahead of Moss.

"Indeed, Collins was on the verge of becoming Britain's first F1 World Champion when he handed his Lancia-Ferrari D50 over to team leader Juan Manuel Fangio after the latter suffered a steering-arm failure toward the end of the Gran Premio d’Italia at the Autodromo Nazionale Monza. Collins eventually finished second, but the advantage handed to Moss, and the extra points gained by Fangio's finish, demoted Collins to third place in the championship.[12] Collins' selfless act gained him respect from Enzo Ferrari and high praise from Fangio: "I was moved almost to tears by the gesture... Peter was one of the finest and greatest gentlemen I ever met in my racing career." [13]" wiki

and he died two years later without winning the championship, this at a time when 15 drivers were killed in F1 from 1952-59
 
Yes, the track limits thing was bugging me, too. In any event, I would suggest more sportsmanship could have been exhibited. Okay, Hamilton didn't want to let Rosberg pass and run interference for him. Fine. He also could have just blazed off into the distance himself, which is what he suggested would be better in the first place in an interview ahead of the race.

Someone suggested that Hamilton is lucky that Mosley isn't running the FIA right now, or he'd be up on the carpet facing disciplinary action already.
 
Rules or no rules, officially or unofficially.
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