ExxonMobil - Meeting the Challenge Syn Base Stocks

[buster]

Link Traction coefficient is interesting. Surface and air release too. Never heard of that. This video can be found right off XOM chem website.

 

[ZZman]

I am interested in this SpectraSyn PAO base stock.

 

[chubbs1]

Originally Posted By: ZZman

I am interested in this SpectraSyn PAO base stock.

That is definitely used in M1 EP 10w30, I am sure the other grades too.

 

[MajorCavalry]

Originally Posted By: chubbs1

Originally Posted By: ZZman

I am interested in this SpectraSyn PAO base stock.

That is definitely used in M1 EP 10w30, I am sure the other grades too.

How do we know this?

 

[volk06]

Those slides on the cold specs makes me wonder if AFE oils don't contain some of this juice, thats impressive performance!

 

[Topo]

This is very interesting, Thnak You for the link OP.

 

[buster]

From what I've read, the AFE and EP oils may contain the best base oil blends in the lineup. The difference being AFE is tailored for cold/fuel economy and EP for long drains. High temp performance for both AFE/EP are better than the regular M1.

 

[Trav]

Funny, now they say GpIII and GpIII+ is non synthetic!

 

[Topo]

Synthetic Definition: So many meanings to it. (Chemistry) (of a substance or material) made artificially by chemical reaction. Well if using this theory than the Type 3 oil are Synthetic. As they use Super Hydrocracking and they end result of that process is to have most of the molecules the same size. Produced artificially, especially in a laboratory or other man-made environment. If you use this term than all group 3 and 3 plus are not synthetic oils.

 

[Rand]

The problem I'm having is I need more transparency out of E.M. They got the good juice ok? what base is in what product??

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: Rand

The problem I'm having is I need more transparency out of E.M. They got the good juice ok? what base is in what product??

Yeah it's rare anymore you get that much transparency. Depending on the grade, I'd say some use the really good stuff and some are using a combo or maybe Group III+. Just a guess.

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Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy’s synthetic base stock composition ensures low traction (internal fluid friction) to further contribute to improved engine efficiency.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Advanced_Fuel_Economy.aspx

 

[A_Harman]

Interesting presentation. Important takeaways: Mobil's new Spectrasyn Elite 150 is a metallocene PAO, and has improved VI, low temperature flow, and shear stability compared to their old Spectrasyn 100. Some of their industrial gear lubes (ISO VG 460) have over 70% PAO's. Their alkylated naphthalene is called Synesstic and has better solvency than PAO's so can be used to keep additives in suspension. AN also has a seal-swelling effect, and reduces deposit formation when used in concentration of 20-30% by weight.

 

[GMorg]

For those that liked the presentation, you may enjoy this link too. If the url is too long, copy/past the link instead of clicking. Fixed link {PLEASE use link function for long links to prevent formatting concerns with the site!}

 

[Topo]

I just love Mobil 1 and that is good enough for me. I trust they are continuing to make one of the Finest oils on the Market.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: Topo

I just love Mobil 1 and that is good enough for me. I trust they are continuing to make one of the Finest oils on the Market.

Really? I trust that they are a company trying to turn a profit. By creating a product that is cost effective while still meeting a current spec. Don't kid yourself. They won't make anything any better than they have too. Mobil continues to have a great marketing campaign. And people continue to believe what they want.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Clevy

Really? I trust that they are a company trying to turn a profit.

Right. Like every other company.

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By creating a product that is cost effective while still meeting a current spec.

A huge list of spec's. The most in the business across their product line.

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Don't kid yourself.

Who's kidding themselves? The guy remarked that in his opinion, they make one of the finest oils on the market. Do you have any proof to the contrary?

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They won't make anything any better than they have too. Mobil continues to have a great marketing campaign. And people continue to believe what they want.

I think you mean "have to". And I find this statement interesting. Because of course if Mobil isn't making their oils "any better than they have to" then their competition is doing the same thing. But since Mobil maintains the longest lists of factory certs and approvals, then one would logically infer that this means that their version of "any better than they have to" is possibly a bit "higher grade" than a competitor shooting for the minimum API spec. And Mobil's marketing is pretty basic: advertise a brand that has a pile of recognition and racing use. I wouldn't call that a "great marketing campaign", simply capitalizing on the brand's strengths. And people believe what they want... Right, that whole perception thing, like there is something mystical and profound that we are missing here. In a nutshell: 1. Mobil has the capacity to make a lube 100% in-house without bringing in components from other companies. AFAIK, they are the ONLY oil company who can do this. 2. Mobil has the longest list of manufacturer certs and approvals of any group of oils on the markets. Do you understand what this means? This means they spend MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO TEST THEIR OILS. They don't throw together a lube, grab the basic API cert and then "recommend" it for a pile of applications. No, they go, and the PAY THE MONEY (weird, considering you say they are only after the bottom line) to have their oil run against testing protocols established by Mercedes, Porsche, BMW, Nissan, Honda, Ford, GM....etc So they can have those manufacturer approvals and certifications on the bottles! This isn't "implied performance 101" with Miss Cleo and her magical "recommended for" list. These are REAL tests with real results, that cost REAL money! So yeah, you can "believe what you want". If you want to take Ms. Cleo's word on a "recommended for" mention on the back of a bottle by a company that is no different in its operation than the company you are criticizing, then please go ahead! I'll take the oil with the actual certification; the oil that was run through the testing and passed, and manufactured by the company who was willing to pony up the dough to have the product tested for my application. See the difference there? Naw, didn't think so. Was worth a shot though.

 

[Topo]

Really? I trust that they are a company trying to turn a profit. By creating a product that is cost effective while still meeting a current spec. Don't kid yourself. They won't make anything any better than they have too. Mobil continues to have a great marketing campaign. And people continue to believe what they want. [/quote] I believe this, if they made a sub par oil it would eventually catch up to them, all companies find ways to reduce cost through lean manufacturing and price reduction from suppliers and still maintain a quality product.

 

[bluesubie]

I really don't get some of the ASTM or CEC tests. What is the correlation between say the CEC-L-45-A-99 Tapered Roller Bearing shear stability test (Slide 15) and how shear stable an oil is in say a 240-305 hp Subaru turbo with a 5 quart sump? For argument's sake, let's just say that SpectraSyn Ultra 150 is being used in Mobil1 5W-30. And although I don't think it wasn't specifically mentioned in this slide, why do I care about a wear test results in a 1994 Nissan engine (Sequence IVA-ASTM D 6891). -Dennis

 

[johnnydc]

Well put OVERK1LL