Economists see 'booming economy'

[keith]

Hmmm, this doesn't jive with the JF Kerry analysis of the economy:

Economists see 'booming economy'

The good news will be all over the fair and balanced ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC, that's for sure. (NOT!)

Keith.

 

[buster]

I think the economy looks good down the road, as long as Bush stops spending like a liberal. Tax cuts work and I am on board with this administrations economic policies more so then Kerry's. The two main issues I have had with Bush is Iraq and spending.

 

[wulimaster]

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Originally posted by keith:
Hmmm, this doesn't jive with the JF Kerry analysis of the economy:

Economists see 'booming economy'

The good news will be all over the fair and balanced ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC, that's for sure. (NOT!)

Keith.

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Profits are up because of outsourcing and greencard workers doing the work for less pay.

The article says businesses may have to start hiring again but did not say in what country the jobs will be created. Recent polls show 80+ percent of businesses are looking at moving jobs overseas which is up from about 38% who said the same thing last year. I guess the remaining 20% will just have to make up the difference.

 

[DJ]

All this crap about jobs being so hard to find

. My employer has been looking for ONE guy to work in our shop no real skills needed since we do unique stuff and would need to completely retrain someone anyway. Well they started looking in oct.-nov. and they now think they have someone. All the other candidates no showed or failed the drug test. If unemployment and the economy were as bad as the media would have us believe then we should have been able to find someone much sooner.

 

[Pablo]

This whole thing about the economy being bad is really overblown. The press doesn't know what to say, so they just yell out things that grab headlines....stupid mostly.

I. too, have a hard time finding people with good skills and a good work ethic. Some people just don't get it, 40 hours pay doesn't mean 20 hours of work....people in many other countries do have it tougher than us, but the countries I have stayed in seem to have people that value their jobs. Not saying everyone in the USA is this way...we are a productive lot, but.....

[ March 29, 2004, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Pablo ]

 

[tweeker43]

one thing that will help in the coming year or so is the new model launches for automotive producers.

also in the mix are some model upgrades that will spruce up existing vehicles.

in both cases, there should be some employment uptick. while i know of some plants (including mine) that will be hiring, some of this stuff will be produced overseas.

anyway, a lot of machine builders etc... will be picking up work, but i know a lot of places are on the edge of closing up right now as well. we've lost several plants in my neck of the woods, and if things don't turn around quickly we'll lose more. it's really a mixed bag up here; but that's automotive for you.

 

[Asinine]

"as long as he stops spending like a liberal."

I love it. Even when your boy does something stupid/wrong/irresponsible, it's not his fault really. He's just acting "like a liberal" or "taking a page from the DNC playbook."

G.W.: Turning People into Sheeple Every Day!

 

[sbc350gearhead]

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Originally posted by Asinine:
"as long as he stops spending like a liberal."

I love it. Even when your boy does something stupid/wrong/irresponsible, it's not his fault really. He's just acting "like a liberal" or "taking a page from the DNC playbook."

G.W.: Turning People into Sheeple Every Day!

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Wow.....I think you are way out in left field here. Not once did buster say that it wasn't Bush's fault. In fact, Buster is not exactly a Bush supporter by any means.

And being compared to a liberal, is about as bad of an insult as you can get.

 

[Asinine]

You missed my point. This is a typical ploy that happens constantly--not just on BITOG.com's forums. Fox "news" and Limbuagh, et al. are a big fan of it. If Bush screws something up, spin it by saying he acted "like a liberal" or "like a Dem." So much for laying credit/blame where it's due.

 

[samsvr6]

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Originally posted by GROUCHO MARX:
"Hey, I've listened to Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Couture... have you ever listened to NPR? Not that NPR leans even remotely as far left and the others lean right."

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Big difference is that NPR is publicly funded, the others are not. To compare the two identifies the problem.

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Another difference is that Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. are all upfront with their conservative views whereas NPR IS NOT.

 

[Asinine]

Another difference:
Rush, et al have no problems spreading half-truths and lies to further a politcal agenda while screaming about the "liberal media."

NPR a least gives both sides, even if every once in a while a commentary (not news) is critical of one side or the other. There have been anti-liberal commentaries on NPR. You'll never find anything pro-liberal on the other shows.

And what do you mean by "NPR is publicly funded?" They sure as **** don't get tax dollars.

 

[sbc350gearhead]

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Originally posted by Asinine:
You missed my point. This is a typical ploy that happens constantly--not just on BITOG.com's forums. Fox "news" and Limbuagh, et al. are a big fan of it. If Bush screws something up, spin it by saying he acted "like a liberal" or "like a Dem." So much for laying credit/blame where it's due.

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Who is the "spin" for? Do you think that since Bush is throwing away money hand over fist "like a liberal", that liberals will be fooled and vote for him? Do you think that conservatives will think, "Wow, Bush is throwing away money hand over fist, and is in essence, spitting on the very reason that I didn't want a liberal in the white house...........That makes me want to vote for him again."?

I am a fairly mainstream, moderate conservative......and my thought is "OMG, you stupid piece of ****!!! You are throwing away money, like a worthless liberal!!!! I can't believe I voted for your sorry ***!!!". And I would imagine that most conservatives have pretty much the same reaction.

So yes....I got your point, I just don't see how the term "like a liberal" is a defense. I hope I never hire a lawyer with such a view.

 

[Gary Allan]

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Gary make up your mind if want to knock cutting taxes or borrow and spend.

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I don't see a conflict there ..I say both. By cutting taxes you don't even have to spend a dime to require "borrowing". Our debt service is incrediblly high.

IF Bush wants to expand the military (or whatever) and do all the things he wants ...FINE! But don't just push paying for it off into the future for us to whine about on someone else's administration.

This is a con. It's a "free toaster" for signing up. Do you think anything it really free when you see one of those ad inducments? Well, pul-leeze don't think that you aren't going to pay 3 -5 times what that pathetically small tax cut gave you (given the spending that occurred in conjunction with it).

 

[Asinine]

The affect will be on the general population, and its perception of what defines the two groups. If Bush is spending out of control, and nothing is said about it, then people (especially swing voters) will being to consciously or subconsciously associate spending with Bush. If they say, "like a liberal", they will mitigate that, and in fact associate irresponsible spending (by Bush no less) with "liberal."

This goes for all kinds of rotten policy. It's like a running gag with the current administration.

 

[sbc350gearhead]

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Originally posted by Asinine:
The affect will be on the general population, and its perception of what defines the two groups. If Bush is spending out of control, and nothing is said about it, then people (especially swing voters) will being to consciously or subconsciously associate spending with Bush. If they say, "like a liberal", they will mitigate that, and in fact associate irresponsible spending (by Bush no less) with "liberal."

This goes for all kinds of rotten policy. It's like a running gag with the current administration.

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Do you actually think that phrase "spending money like a liberal", was coined last week?......Or that a reference to Bush spending money "like a liberal", is the only thing that voters will have, to form a conclusion about the spending policies of liberals?

Surely you jest.

 

[TC]

L.A. Times, 3-25-04, page C-1, "Modest Job Growth is Forecast in State, U.S.":
"Economists at the UCLA Anderson Forecast...in their quarterly report released today, they predicted that new hiring would be constrained by weaker consumer spending and bulging government budget deficits...On the whole, economic and job growth will do well to remain modest in the next couple years, the report said...If UCLA's widely followed projections prove correct, they have significant implications for Washington and Sacramento. The presistent lack of new jobs has been a dominant issue in the reelection bid by President Bush whose administration had estimated last fall that federal tax cuts would help create 200,000 net jobs a month. But the U.S. economy has added an average of only 60,000 payrolls a month since August, and by UCLA's reckoning, that will improve to about 125,000 over the next couple of years -- still 25,000 shy of what's needed just to keep the jobless rate from rising. 'It isn't going to turn around on a dime between now and November,' said Michael Bazdarich, author of UCLA's national report." www.latimes.com

U.S. News & World Report, April 5, 2004, page 44:
"Not only have there been signs of weakness in the manufacturing recovery, but the job market also continues to sputter. No wonder all eyes will be on this week's jobs report. While Wall Street expects that around 100,000 new jobs were created in March, that is a far cry from the 200,000-plus positions typically produced in a robust economy." www.usnews.com

[ March 30, 2004, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: TC ]

 

[Asinine]

I understand that the phrase is based in some truth, but so are so many of the stereotypes you might hear in some circles. That doesn't make them right.

 

[PRRPILL]

Assinine,
Bush has screwed up a lot of things, mainly trying to appease liberals. The difference between us, is we take that into account, you don't. If you actually listened to the conservative radio hosts, you will find they are VERY critical of Bush. They,like most of us are tired of the bias from people like you, and the mainstream press, and above all Bush's attempts to "get along". No matter how hard you try to understand a liberal, in the end he is still a liberal. I have never seen a liberal take the blame for anything they have done.
The debate on BITOG is pretty healthy and I see no one trying to shut you up.

 

[needtoknow]

What happens to the economy as fuel prices and higher interest rates (deficit spending) take hold. Greenspan has already hinted that he cannot maintain these low interst rates. Maybe Bush would be better to let Kerry have it for the next 4 so he could come back and rescue us from his own policies.

 

[Asinine]

Wow, PILL, you are really a piece of work. You very cleverly make implications ontop on my post to make it appear like I said things I didn't. I never said anyone tried to shut me up. Nice try sneaking that it.

It's become clear that you're a gung-ho "us against them" kinda guy. If you're not a die-hard conservative who hates liberals, you're nothing, is that it?

Hey, I've listened to Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Couture... have you ever listened to NPR? Not that NPR leans even remotely as far left and the others lean right. And what I said stands. Sure they are critical of Bush... but only in the context of him "acting like a liberal." You said so yourself, "appeasing liberals."