Diet and Fat: A Severe Case of Mistaken Consensus

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Diet and Fat: A Severe Case of Mistaken Consensus

Posted by: Dr. Mercola
October 25 2007 | 35,127 views

In 1988, surgeon general C. Everett Koop made a statement that changed the course of American’s diets for many years to come. He said that high-fat foods were causing coronary heart disease and other deadly problems in Americans, and these high-fat foods were just as dangerous to public health as cigarettes.

Koop said, in the report detailing his fat findings, “The depth of the science base underlying its findings is even more impressive than that for tobacco and health in 1964.”

As it turned out, Koop’s statement was wrong.

What led a respected surgeon general to make such a mistake? According to this New York Times article, it was a case of an “informational cascade.”

A cascade of information can easily lead to the wrong conclusion.

It works like this: Someone has a bit of wrong information, but they are confident about it so they spout it out. A second person who is unsure decides that the first person must be right, and chooses to go along with their theory. A third person who may have had a right answer, then changes his mind because he believes the two others must know more than him.

And on it goes as each person assumes the others can’t be wrong.

Who was the first person to start the cascade of misinformation about fatty foods? It was Ancel Keys, a diet researcher for whom military K-rations are named.

He believed that dietary fat was causing heart disease in Americans back in the 1950s, and he soon got others to jump on the bandwagon.

Even the American Heart Association, which concluded in 1957 that “the evidence that dietary fat correlates with heart disease does not stand up to critical examination,” changed its position in 1960.

Why? Because Keys was on the committee issuing a new report that a low-fat diet was advised for people at risk of heart disease.

Since then, the “fat is bad” theory continued to be accepted as nutritional wisdom, even though clinical trials found no connection.

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* The New York Times October 9, 2007

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It is amazing, but not surprising, how quickly one person’s flawed opinion can turn into the nutritional mantra of an entire country.

As a result of nutritionists buying into Ancel Keys' "lipid hypothesis” that dietary fat causes heart disease, Americans were soon encouraged to substitute vegetable-based fats for animal fats, and to avoid red meat completely.

What you may not know is that when Keys published his analysis that claimed to prove the link between dietary fats and coronary heart disease, he selectively analyzed information from only six countries to prove his correlation, rather than comparing all the data available at the time -- from 22 countries.

As a result of this "cherry-picked" data, government health organizations began bombarding the public with advice that has contributed to the diabetes and obesity epidemics going on today: eat a low-fat diet.

Of course, as Americans cut out nutritious animal fats from their diets, they were left hungry. So they began eating more processed grains, more vegetable oils, and more high-fructose corn syrup, all of which are nutritional disasters.

I do believe that many of you are beginning to realize the flawed thinking behind the “fat is bad” mentality. The Atkins Diet helped open many to the idea that fat is OK to eat, and readers of my newsletter have known all along that healthy fats are essential for your health. In 2002, The New York Times also ran Gary Taubes’ What If It's All Been a Big Fat Lie?, which cast further doubt on this flawed “truth.”

This new New York Times article is a poignant reminder of how important it is to NOT get caught up in what everybody else is saying, and to instead think for yourself.

Today, many of you have switched over to the nutrition plan I recommend in Take Control of Your Health. And I’ve received countless testimonials to the improved health that results when you eat right for your nutritional type, and include plenty of the right fats in your diet.

Many of you still write in to say that even your doctors are surprised by your results, so clearly there is still a lot of education to be done, but the key is that YOU are listening to your body, not the flawed theory of a 1950s nutritional researcher.

Diet & Fat
 
Mercola is nothing but a fraud and a shill for his products. He'll say anything to make a buck. I'm amazed that there are people foolish enough to read anything that quack says.
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Mercola is nothing but a fraud and a shill for his products. He'll say anything to make a buck. I'm amazed that there are people foolish enough to read anything that quack says.


I read and believe many things Mercola says, and I don't consider myself one bit foolish for doing so.

My definition of a quack is an MD that prescribes dangerous drugs like statins to lower cholesterol and make patients out of healthy people.
 
I do well on animal meats and fat.
But I eat a lot of other good stuff, and supplement.
Eggs are another no-no that are now being shown to be good for you.
 
Well, you can't say that Koop was wrong. He was right at the time, and in the time since other bad habits have taken the driver's seat.

You certainly can't argue that the amount of fats from any source that the average american eats is healthy. And that's average. I see a line next to Burger King every morning.

Really, though, everyone is different. If someone is telling you that some "diet" works for everyone... they're a salesman trying to cast a wide net. For anyone I've ever known the Atkins diet leaves you hungry, tired, crabby and not able to eat anything you like... the exact opposite if what it advertises. But, it must have worked for someone....


"Eggs are another no-no that are now being shown to be good for you." That's another great example. There was a time when a person might eat three eggs a day for breakfast. And a doctor might have said "whoa" that's not good for you. And everybody stops eating eggs. Now, some new guy trying to make a name for himself comes out and says that guy was a moron. Eating a couple eggs once a week doesn't hurt. Well, it's not a direct argument. Both are saying eating in moderation is fine. They agree, but disagree to sell books, diets, drugs... whatever.
 
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My definition of a quack is an MD that prescribes dangerous drugs like statins to lower cholesterol and make patients out of healthy people.


Hey, pal ..they've got to keep that pipeline full. I think it will soon be like an inductee processing center.

Welcome to ABC medical. Please take this form and get in line for expensive tests. Return for interpretation. Proceed to list of expensive drugs. If further tests are required you will be channeled to the appropriate specialist. If therapy is required you will then be directed to the appropriate technologist. Return in 90days and repeat.
 
Well, I actually worked my way clear through it. Am I convinced? No? Do I reject it entirely? Again, no. Do I feel science has turned more political than scientific? Yes. I grew up in the 50's worshiping science. I went to college and earned a [censored] in chemistry. I spent much of my life working in the paint and plastic industry. Even after I was managing a production unit, I continued to seek scientific rigor to base my decisions on. In many cases, I found others failing to follow good scientific methods. One very common thing is generalizing from one or only a few examples. Another is disregarding real world evidence conflicting with favored theories.

One question I have is are people really paying any attention to the governmental recommendations? Meat is cheap now, and people love it. We have moved from cheese burgers to double and triple ones, 1/4 pounders to 1/2 pound Black Angus burgers. Are we really loading up on the carbohydrates as we are told? Is the problem that we are, or that we aren't?

We had a big family gathering yesterday. We had 9 adults, a couple of little kids, and a dog at a pizza buffet. I started with a nice salad, plenty of bacon bits, cheese, olives, and blue cheese dressing. I then limited myself to one slice of pizza. Everybody else chowed down big time, Piazza, bread sticks, gooey dessert pizza, etc. So what isn't good for you? The cheese, peperoni, sausage, and other high fat toppings, or the crust and bread sticks?
 
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Everybody else chowed down big time, Piazza, bread sticks, gooey dessert pizza, etc. So what isn't good for you? The cheese, peperoni, sausage, and other high fat toppings, or the crust and bread sticks?


Any/all when consumed in excess. I tend to think that anything out of "balanced and moderate" will have consequences.

The default recommendation has always been "eat a balanced diet and get plenty of exercise". I don't think this has ever changed. That's because the overall human physiology hasn't changed. Only the environment that it exists in.
 
We lead sedentary and highly stressful lifestyles. Even with "balanced diet" people will have statistically measurable issues.
 
I think you could also draw a relationship between when farm animals were started to be fed agricultural and industrial wastes and the rise of meat/fat related illness.
My bags of chicken feed contains "crude" fiber, proteins, and fats. What specific product that is the "crude" ingredient depends on what's cheap that week... and is not consistent.
So if the only meat everyone eats these days is factory farm meats consisting of "crude" khrap maybe there is a relationship there to rising health problems...
Maybe another case of "Pay me now or pay me later"?
 
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
We lead sedentary and highly stressful lifestyles. Even with "balanced diet" people will have statistically measurable issues.



That's where the exercise comes in.


There are situations where there are no practical solutions that can be adopted "in line" with the lifestyle we find ourselves in. As with anything, some will work harder to keep another spinning plate from wobbling. Many will fail.
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
I think you could also draw a relationship between when farm animals were started to be fed agricultural and industrial wastes and the rise of meat/fat related illness.
My bags of chicken feed contains "crude" fiber, proteins, and fats. What specific product that is the "crude" ingredient depends on what's cheap that week... and is not consistent.
So if the only meat everyone eats these days is factory farm meats consisting of "crude" khrap maybe there is a relationship there to rising health problems...
Maybe another case of "Pay me now or pay me later"?



I largely agree with your comments. Add corn which has crept into virtually every US food in the form of corn syrup and fillers.

I was in Argentina for a few days in January. They eat far more meat than we do in the US and their big city lifestyle isn't a lot more active than ours. You see very few obese and otherwise unhealthy looking people there and can even understand why Gov Sanford went to Argentina.
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They don't feed their farm animals industrial waste, don't raise them in factories and don't use feed and finishing lots for most of their domestically consumed livestock. The per capita consumption of beef by the average Argie is 150 lbs/year. They also eat lots of pork and chicken. Total meet consumption is something like 210 lbs year/person.

I'm not a big beef eater, but I ate it every chance I had in Argentina. Regular supermarket or restaurant (even high end) US beef doesn't begin to compare with what they serve there in an average restaurant.
 
Argentina sounds like a great country, I'd like to go down there sometime.
Do they still age their beef properly? Dry aging? That makes a big difference too.
We raised a couple of pigs on our pasture this summer and the pork is different than grocery store fair. We used a different breed as well but the meat is denser and has more flavor than "normal". Soy is now a big component of animal feeds and I've read it produces mushier meat...
 
Originally Posted By: labman
I continued to seek scientific rigor to base my decisions on.


Yes I can see that in your posts and respect it. I am the same way.
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Tom NJ
 
Originally Posted By: bepperb
For anyone I've ever known the Atkins diet leaves you hungry, tired, crabby and not able to eat anything you like... the exact opposite if what it advertises. But, it must have worked for someone....


Sure worked for me - lost 43 pounds in seven months and was never hungry, tired, or crabby. As for not being able to eat foods I like, quite the opposite, as I love meat, cheese, eggs, nuts, sausage, and vegetables. My Irish wife could never do Atkins (and doesn't need to) as she could not live without potatoes and bread.

Been on Atkins for seven years now and have never felt healthier. Now I'm off to pick up my moo shu pork and barbequed spare ribs, to be washed down with fine red wine.
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Tom NJ
 
My bad chloresterol is OK, but my good is low, so I' take 2 1200 iu caps daily. The whole system of force feeding cattle corn is not the best way to do it. The Argentines graze their beef on grass. That is what cows are designed to eat.
 
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: bepperb
For anyone I've ever known the Atkins diet leaves you hungry, tired, crabby and not able to eat anything you like... the exact opposite if what it advertises. But, it must have worked for someone....


Sure worked for me - lost 43 pounds in seven months and was never hungry, tired, or crabby. As for not being able to eat foods I like, quite the opposite, as I love meat, cheese, eggs, nuts, sausage, and vegetables. My Irish wife could never do Atkins (and doesn't need to) as she could not live without potatoes and bread.

Been on Atkins for seven years now and have never felt healthier. Now I'm off to pick up my moo shu pork and barbequed spare ribs, to be washed down with fine red wine.
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Tom NJ


I could not hang forever on it, but there's no two ways about it, the Atkins works quite well. It allowed me to go off of insulin and I maintained stable sub 100 blood sugar level (typically 85). I also lost ..hmm..about 40-45lbs.

however, it can get as boring as any other diet. It just tastes better.

The typical diet prescribed by professionals:

Start off with a generous helping of grass clippings garnished with crumbled tree bark. Go light on the tree bark.

Repeat for all meals.

I love those who can actually manage some creativity in making those types of diets interesting.

Now a big marbled steak and a green leafy salad smothered in high fat Ranch?? That works.
 
Cows are indeed supposed to eat grass, not grain, not waste and not ground up parts of other cows. Corn is indeed in nearly everything and who/what do you imagine is the reason for that?
Significant (and often vile) issues with food aside, good old exercise and plain old not stuffing your hole so much are the best things you can do.
 
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