i know there are 5W30 oils that have both certifications but are there any 0W40s?
dexos2 and 502 and 0W40?
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This is from a recent Shell oil sale in Australia
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Shell Helix HX8 5W30 Full Synthetic
API SN/CF, ACEA A3/B3/B4, MB 229.3, VW 502/505, RN 700/710
Shell Helix Ultra 0W20 Full Synthetic
API SN, ILSAC GF-5, ACEA A1/B1
Shell Helix Ultra ECT 0W30 Full Synthetic
ACEA C2, ACEA C3, API SN, VW504.00/507.00, MB 229.52, MB 229.51, MB 229.31, Fiat 955535.GS1 & Fiat 955535.DS1 (meets requirements), Porsche C30.
Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 Full Synthetic
API SN/CF; ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4; BMW LL-01; MB approval 229.5, 226.5; VW 502.00/505.00; Porsche A40; Renault RN0700, RN0710; PSA B71 2296, Ferrari. Meets the requirements of Fiat 9.55535-Z2 and Chrysler MS-10725
VW 502 is full-SAPS so it appears with ACEA A3/B4.
While Dexos2 is mid-SAPS so it appears with ACEA C3.
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Shell Helix HX8 5W30 Full Synthetic
API SN/CF, ACEA A3/B3/B4, MB 229.3, VW 502/505, RN 700/710
Shell Helix Ultra 0W20 Full Synthetic
API SN, ILSAC GF-5, ACEA A1/B1
Shell Helix Ultra ECT 0W30 Full Synthetic
ACEA C2, ACEA C3, API SN, VW504.00/507.00, MB 229.52, MB 229.51, MB 229.31, Fiat 955535.GS1 & Fiat 955535.DS1 (meets requirements), Porsche C30.
Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 Full Synthetic
API SN/CF; ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4; BMW LL-01; MB approval 229.5, 226.5; VW 502.00/505.00; Porsche A40; Renault RN0700, RN0710; PSA B71 2296, Ferrari. Meets the requirements of Fiat 9.55535-Z2 and Chrysler MS-10725
VW 502 is full-SAPS so it appears with ACEA A3/B4.
While Dexos2 is mid-SAPS so it appears with ACEA C3.
0w40 not sure. 5w40 Yes.
OK, you can get an oil that is C3, Dexos2 and VW502. Here is one from Castrol
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Castrol - MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-30 C3
ACEA C3
API SN/CF
BMW Longlife-04
dexos2
MB-Approval 229.31/ 229.51
Renault RN0700 / RN0710
VW 502 00/ 505 00
It's a 5W30, I have seen Dexos2 oils that are 5W40.
Not sure about 0W40.
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Castrol - MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-30 C3
ACEA C3
API SN/CF
BMW Longlife-04
dexos2
MB-Approval 229.31/ 229.51
Renault RN0700 / RN0710
VW 502 00/ 505 00
It's a 5W30, I have seen Dexos2 oils that are 5W40.
Not sure about 0W40.
VW502 allows mid and full-saps.
Generally, mid-saps is simply not a watered down version of a full-saps oil. There are generally additive(s) which will not show in a typical VOA, UOA in mid-saps oils
which aren't present in full-saps oils as full-saps oils don't need them as they rely on a higher dose of old school additives.
Generally, mid-saps is simply not a watered down version of a full-saps oil. There are generally additive(s) which will not show in a typical VOA, UOA in mid-saps oils
which aren't present in full-saps oils as full-saps oils don't need them as they rely on a higher dose of old school additives.
Originally Posted by zeng
Originally Posted by SR5
VW 502 is full-SAPS so it appears with ACEA A3/B4.
While Dexos2 is mid-SAPS so it appears with ACEA C3.
VW 50200/50500 is based on A3B4.
VW 50200/50501 is based on C3.
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Originally Posted by SR5
VW 502 is full-SAPS so it appears with ACEA A3/B4.
While Dexos2 is mid-SAPS so it appears with ACEA C3.
VW 50200/50500 is based on A3B4.
VW 50200/50501 is based on C3.
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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
0w40 not sure. 5w40 Yes.
Yup. I know there are (several) 5W40s. I was just wondering why not for a 0W40.
0w40 not sure. 5w40 Yes.
Yup. I know there are (several) 5W40s. I was just wondering why not for a 0W40.
OP, just a guess here, but do the Dexos rules allow a 0W40 viscosity grade for D2 ?
I know they don't allow a 10W30 grade for D1, even though it could be made to meet their other requirements.
General quality specs like Euro ACEA or American API can mostly be applied to any oil grade. But many OEM specs also require a certain viscosity grade.
I know they don't allow a 10W30 grade for D1, even though it could be made to meet their other requirements.
General quality specs like Euro ACEA or American API can mostly be applied to any oil grade. But many OEM specs also require a certain viscosity grade.
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Originally Posted by SR5
OP, just a guess here, but do the Dexos rules allow a 0W40 viscosity grade for D2 ?
I know they don't allow a 10W30 grade for D1, even though it could be made to meet their other requirements.
General quality specs like Euro ACEA or American API can mostly be applied to any oil grade. But many OEM specs also require a certain viscosity grade.
Mobil 1 ESP 0w-40 is Dexos 2.
OP, just a guess here, but do the Dexos rules allow a 0W40 viscosity grade for D2 ?
I know they don't allow a 10W30 grade for D1, even though it could be made to meet their other requirements.
General quality specs like Euro ACEA or American API can mostly be applied to any oil grade. But many OEM specs also require a certain viscosity grade.
Mobil 1 ESP 0w-40 is Dexos 2.
Yay !! There you go.
Do you know if it's VW502 ? (Sorry can't look it up where I am now)
Do you know if it's VW502 ? (Sorry can't look it up where I am now)
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Originally Posted by SR5
Yay !! There you go.
Do you know if it's VW502 ? (Sorry can't look it up where I am now)
Nope, only approval it carries at the moment is Dexos. Perhaps it will get more later?
Yay !! There you go.
Do you know if it's VW502 ? (Sorry can't look it up where I am now)
Nope, only approval it carries at the moment is Dexos. Perhaps it will get more later?
Thank mate, yeah I just found it myself, interesting the M1 ESP 0W40 is Dexos2, MB 229.51, ACEA C3 and API SM/CF.
So SM on the M1 webpage, is that a typo ?
KV100 = 13.2 cSt, TBN = 7.8, Phos = 800 ppm, SA = 0.8%, HTHS = 3.79 cP, FP (D92) = 234C
So SM on the M1 webpage, is that a typo ?
KV100 = 13.2 cSt, TBN = 7.8, Phos = 800 ppm, SA = 0.8%, HTHS = 3.79 cP, FP (D92) = 234C
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Originally Posted by SR5
Thank mate, yeah I just found it myself, interesting the M1 ESP 0W40 is Dexos2, MB 229.51, ACEA C3 and API SM/CF.
So SM on the M1 webpage, is that a typo ?
KV100 = 13.2 cSt, TBN = 7.8, Phos = 800 ppm, SA = 0.8%, HTHS = 3.79 cP, FP (D92) = 234C
Yeah, it's the new "vette" oil from what I understand. I don't think the API classification is overly relevant, given the target audience of the product
Thank mate, yeah I just found it myself, interesting the M1 ESP 0W40 is Dexos2, MB 229.51, ACEA C3 and API SM/CF.
So SM on the M1 webpage, is that a typo ?
KV100 = 13.2 cSt, TBN = 7.8, Phos = 800 ppm, SA = 0.8%, HTHS = 3.79 cP, FP (D92) = 234C
Yeah, it's the new "vette" oil from what I understand. I don't think the API classification is overly relevant, given the target audience of the product
Originally Posted by OilUzer
Is the tbn kind of low for 3.79 hths? Is it because of mid saps oil?
Yes it's ACEA C3, so mid-SAPS
Is the tbn kind of low for 3.79 hths? Is it because of mid saps oil?
Yes it's ACEA C3, so mid-SAPS
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Originally Posted by SR5
Thank mate, yeah I just found it myself, interesting the M1 ESP 0W40 is Dexos2, MB 229.51, ACEA C3 and API SM/CF.
So SM on the M1 webpage, is that a typo ?
KV100 = 13.2 cSt, TBN = 7.8, Phos = 800 ppm, SA = 0.8%, HTHS = 3.79 cP, FP (D92) = 234C
Yeah, it's the new "vette" oil from what I understand. I don't think the API classification is overly relevant, given the target audience of the product
Yep, if it's the right oil for the job, that's all you need.
We have the same thing here, some oils only carry what they need, e.g.
Valvoline SynPower XL-III 5W30 Full Synthetic
ACEA C3, MB 229.51, BMW LL-04, Porsche C30, VW 504.00/507.00 (It has no API spec)
KV100 = 11.7 cSt, TBN = 6.7, FP (D92) = 232C, PP = -45C
Originally Posted by SR5
Thank mate, yeah I just found it myself, interesting the M1 ESP 0W40 is Dexos2, MB 229.51, ACEA C3 and API SM/CF.
So SM on the M1 webpage, is that a typo ?
KV100 = 13.2 cSt, TBN = 7.8, Phos = 800 ppm, SA = 0.8%, HTHS = 3.79 cP, FP (D92) = 234C
Yeah, it's the new "vette" oil from what I understand. I don't think the API classification is overly relevant, given the target audience of the product
Yep, if it's the right oil for the job, that's all you need.
We have the same thing here, some oils only carry what they need, e.g.
Valvoline SynPower XL-III 5W30 Full Synthetic
ACEA C3, MB 229.51, BMW LL-04, Porsche C30, VW 504.00/507.00 (It has no API spec)
KV100 = 11.7 cSt, TBN = 6.7, FP (D92) = 232C, PP = -45C
Originally Posted by SR5
Yay !! There you go.
Do you know if it's VW502 ? (Sorry can't look it up where I am now)
Thanks for the posts SR5.
I did a run of this Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W-40 for our Golf R knowing that its only official builder approval was dexos2 (but with the R "needing" a minimum of the 502).
Yay !! There you go.
Do you know if it's VW502 ? (Sorry can't look it up where I am now)
Thanks for the posts SR5.
I did a run of this Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W-40 for our Golf R knowing that its only official builder approval was dexos2 (but with the R "needing" a minimum of the 502).
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