Decreasing our dependency on foreign oil.

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Well, we've only had over 30 years since the early 70's oil embargo to become less dependent on foreign oil.

The way I see it, we can only blame ourselves for the "outrageous" gas prices of today (still way below what many other countries are paying).
 
Dodge does sell a diesel car.. it's just labeled a Mercedes Benz.

And Volkswagen's diesels are forbidden to be sold in California and every other state that has adopted Californias emissions regulations.

I do love my little VW TDI but i'd have to be blind to believe that it is the environmental solution for world.
 
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Originally posted by 1sttruck:
My 2003 truck is certified for sale in CA, and all of the current Dodge diesels are.


Why doesn't Dodge make a diesel car? Its because they can't be certified in California. There is only one Manufacturer that meets the standard and that is Volkswagon. If They can do it why can't others?


trucks were classified as commercial vehicles (that's changed) and the EPA rules weren't written to affect commercial vehicles.

VW is actually making a decent diesel for *worldwide* use. (altho their 1st attempts in the 70s were a bit, well, disappoining...to be kind.)

The ones here in the domestic pick'em ups are ancient technology, durable tho they be. But they couldn't give them away in most developed countries. Comparing them to european diesels is pointless.

The european diesesl are quiet and clean and can actually get out of their own way. I have stood right next to one running (my friend's Volvo) and you can't even hear it. No mind-numbing thrashing machine sound when you stand on the pedal. No choking black soot cloud when you punch it.

They also tend to be turbocharged and a lot more technically complex outside of the basic powerplant, so I'm not sure if the whole package has the longevity that the old tech/no tech diesels have.

These are much smaller engines, and even as diesels have to work a lot harder to move down the road. And a lot more use manual xmissions than here, so they don't toss away 25-30% of their power. Granted, the diesel engine itself is wonderfully simple, but the added complexity of turbos, etc is never good for longterm average overall vehicle reliabilty. Ask the railroads.

Most engines, even gasoline, far outlast the rest of the vehicle; so pure economics says that paying any premium for a 700k mile engine is a waste in a car that's good for 300k at very best.

Ford and GM have diesels in their european cars and they do quite well. After all, my friend's Volvo diesel is now in the Ford family. (shiver...)

But after what GM did in the 70s with diesels here, and the current public opinion based on diesel trucks as defined stateside, they rightly contend that the market for diesel cars is very small. They should know, they helped make it that way.

But the times they are a changin'.....
 
See below for the CA emissions standards. It doesn't matter what the fuel type is. One could ask why are light cars allowed to pollute more than heavy medium duty vehicles, considering pollution per vehicel weight.

California Standards
Current Tier 1/LEV California emission standards extend through the year 2003. Effective 2004, more stringent LEV II regulations will take place.

Low Emission Vehicle II LEV II Standards
On November 5, 1998 the ARB adopted the LEV II emission standards which will extend from the year 2004 until 2010.

Under the LEV II regulation, the light-duty truck and medium-duty vehicle categories of below 8500 lbs gross weight are reclassified and will have to meet passenger car requirements, as shown in Table 5. As a result, most pick-up trucks and sport utility vehicles will be required to meet the passenger car emission standards. The reclassification will be phased in by the year 2007.

Medium duty vehicles above 8500 lbs gross weight old MDV4 and MDV5 will still certify to the medium-duty vehicle standard Table 6.

Under the LEV II standard, NOx and PM standards for all emission categories are significantly tightened. The same standards apply to both gasoline and diesel vehicles under revisions adopted on November 15, 2001 gasoline vehicles are no longer exempted from the PM standard. Light-duty LEVs and ULEVs will certify to a 0.05 g/mi NOx standard, to be phased-in starting with the 2004 model year. A full useful life PM standard of 0.010 g/mi is introduced for light-duty diesel vehicles and trucks less than 8500 lbs gross weight certifying to LEV, ULEV, and SULEV standards. The TLEV emission category has been eliminated in the final regulatory text. It is, therefore, believed that emission certification of light duty diesel vehicles in California will be possible only if advanced emission control technologies, such as particulate traps and NOx catalysts, are developed.

data from table 5 & 6

120k miles durability
Category LEV

California LEV II Emission Standards, Passenger Cars and LDVs < 8500 lbs, g/mi

NMOG CO NOx PM HCHO
0.090 4.2 0.07 0.01 0.018


California LEV II Emission Standards, Medium Duty Vehicles, 8,500 - 10,000 GVWR, lbs.

NMOG CO NOx PM HCHO
0.195 6.4 0.2 0.12 0.032


California LEV II Emission Standards, Medium Duty Vehicles, 10,001 - 14,000 GVWR, lbs.

NMOG CO NOx PM HCHO
0.230 7.3 0.4 0.12 0.040


LVW - loaded vehicle weight curb weight + 300 lbs
LDT - light-duty truck
NMOG - non-methane organic gases
HCHO - formaldehyde
 
If I had three wishes, one would be that all vehicles in the U.S. would instantly have their tires inflated to the proper pressure. I see this crap all the time. Saw an old lady pulling out of a gas station today in a Olds 98, the two left side tires (the side I could see) were half flat. It WAS Sunday after all.
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Anyone know how much fuel economy is lost due to say a 10PSI drop in all 4 tires?

I always inflate my tires to about 3PSI over what the door sticker says.
 
Simple solution: Kill 5 billion people and there would not be an energy shortage or pollution problem. The problem is the massive increase in population is creating most of the problems we are now seeing. Most of the oil and natural gas we use in this country is used for the production of electricity. We have 290 million people in this country. By dropping the population to 200 million we cut would more than 30 percent the energy needs of the U.S. Look at how much energy we use to produce the food needed to feed the world now. How much is going to be needed to feed 9 billion or more people in the years to come?
I know I'm cold on this but logic comes easier than feelings.
 
Volvo is producing a new 5 cylinder for European sales.


New Generation of Five-Cylinder Diesel Engines from Volvo Cars 11:03 PM 5-9-2005


The Volvo Car Corporation is unveiling a new generation of our own five-cylinder diesel engines for the Volvo S60, V70, XC70, and XC90. The engine, which was introduced in 2001, has been extensively improved and refined. The improvements have resulted in an entirely new driving experience with considerably higher performance, and improved drivability. At the same time, there has been a sharp reduction in emissions.

This new diesel engine is actually three different ones, all of which are turbocharged. The most powerful version, the D5, has been given an extra 22 horsepower and has a maximum output of 185 hp (136 kW). The increase provides excellent high-speed performance, with fast acceleration and efficient pulling power, even when driving up long, steep hills, with no need to change down.
Torque has also increased dramatically, from 340 to 400 Nm. This provides extra power and considerably quicker response at both high and low rpm.
“We have improved nearly everything in the engine,” says Jörgen Svensson, Chief Programme Engineer. “The driver will perceive it as a lively petrol engine, only more powerful and more environmentally efficient.”

New-generation turbo-charger
Most of the increase in performance can be attributed to an upgraded air and exhaust gas exchange system, a new turbocharger, and an improved injection system.

Most of the air and exhaust channels have been given increased volume and more gentle bends for more efficient gas-flow with low losses.

The new-generation turbocharger has electronic control, resulting in fast and precise control of the charge pressure. A larger compressor wheel provides higher torque and output. Furthermore, the variable vanes have been cambered for a more efficient flow of gas at all settings, resulting in an increased level of turbo efficiency. The improvements contribute to both faster acceleration and better high-speed performance.

The turbo centre housing is now water-cooled, which is unusual in diesel engines. This is caused by the higher performance of the new engine and provides continued cooling of the turbo after the engine has been switched off. This is particularly beneficial during short stops after high-speed driving, such as when refuelling on the highway.

Refined injection technology
As was previously the case, air swirls in the cylinders’ combustion chambers. The use of a new electronically controlled multi-throttle system in the inlet ports allows for infinitely variable regulation of the swirl level, and combustion can be adjusted extremely accurately according to the driving situation and the current engine speed and load.

“We have also made the combustion chambers larger, thereby lowering compression,” says Jörgen Svensson. ”By doing so, we have gained two things: higher performance and lower emissions.”

The injection system has been fitted with new injectors with seven finer nozzle openings as opposed to five in the previous engine. This results in a more finely atomized fuel mixture, and more efficient combustion. Injection takes place in three steps: pre-injection, primary injection, and post-injection. The last step is new and contributes not only to cleaner combustion but also to regeneration of the particulate filter.

A completely new, electronically regulated quick glow system results in considerably reduced glow times, also making it easier to start the engine in cold weather.

New management system contributes to reduced emissions
The new diesel engine has very low emissions, thanks to a number of new and refined functions. For example, emissions of nitrogen oxides (NOx) have been halved.

A new-generation engine management system, with increased capacity and a greater number of sensors offers more accurate control of the engine’s functions. This includes electronic control of the throttle and the new, more powerful EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) valve for more precise regulation of the air supply and recirculation of exhaust gases.

“We also have a completely new EGR cooler,” says Jörgen Svensson. “This lowers the combustion temperature very efficiently, thereby reducing emissions.”

The catalytic converter is now fitted close to the engine, not just on manual but also on automatic versions, to promote faster warming and thus faster startup of the exhaust cleaning process. The catalytic converter is also larger than before. In addition it has been supplemented with an oxygen sensor that precisely regulates the fuel mixture and emissions.

Particulate filter is standard
All versions of the new diesel engine have a particulate filter as standard equipment. It very effectively removes soot particulates from the exhaust gases, with filtration efficiency above 95%. The filter is a CDPF – Coated Diesel Particulate Filter, in which a special coating helps burn the particulates. Therefore, no additives are needed, and the filter requires no maintenance. Burning away soot particulates takes approximately 20 minutes and occurs automatically at 500 to 1000 km intervals, depending on driving conditions.

Three engine versions
The new diesel engine is available in three versions, all with the same cylinder volume and common technology:

Engine Output hp/kW Torque Drive
D5 185/136 (previously 163/120) 400 Nm (previously 340) AWD/FWD
2.4D 163/120 (previously 130/96) 340 Nm (previously 280) FWD
D 126/92 (previously 116/85) 300 Nm (previously 280) FWD

In addition to the technical changes, the diesel engines’ service interval has been extended from 20,000 till 30,000 km.

Six-speed manual and automatic gearboxes
As standard equipment, the D5 engine is combined with a six-speed manual gearbox to accommodate its very high torque. The six speeds contribute to sportier driving. This gearbox is also available as an option with the 2.4D engine.
Furthermore, a new automatic gearbox will be introduced during the course of the year. It also has six speeds and is available as an option with the D5 and 2.4D. The new automatic transmission contributes to very fast response, particularly when the kick-down function is used. It also has a lock-up feature that is allowed to slip over a wide range of engine speeds for effective pulling power and good drivability, particularly when transporting heavy loads or towing a caravan.

All Wheel Drive with Instant Traction
The improved AWD system with Instant Traction, which was introduced on the Volvo XC90 V8, can now be combined with other XC90 engines. The system will also become available for four-wheel driven Volvo S60, S80, V70 and XC70s. Instant Traction makes starting easier on slippery surfaces by immediately distributing the right amount of power to the rear wheels the instant the car starts to move.
“The D5 engine with a six-speed gearbox and All Wheel Drive is a nearly unbeatable combination,” says Jörgen Svensson. “It offers enormous driving pleasure while also providing power and low-rpm capacity for the most demanding uses.”

Summary
Most of the measures taken on the new diesel engine result in both an increase in performance and reduced emissions. The primary purposes are explained in the following summary:

For increased performance
• The injection system has been improved with new injectors and a more advanced injection process
• A new-generation turbocharger, with larger compressor wheel, cambered vanes and electronic control
• The gas exchange system has been upgraded for optimum flow of air and exhaust gases, with low pressure losses

For lower emissions
• A new-generation engine management system with a greater number of sensors for more precise regulation
• The EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) system is new, with faster regulation of the flow
• The EGR cooling is new with higher capacity
• The air throttle is new and electronically controlled in order to more effectively control EGR flow, reduce noise and regulate the temperature
• Air swirl in the combustion chamber is infinitely variable for more efficient combustion
• The lowered compression ratio (from 18:1 to 17:1) with new and larger combustion chambers lowers compression temperatures and reduces emissions
• The quick glow system is new and electronically controlled for faster cold starts
• The catalytic converter is larger and fitted with an oxygen sensor for precise emission control
• The Coated Diesel Particulate Filter (CDPF) is standard on all versions
 
1sttruck, youre exactly right.

People forget that though they MAY (Note, not all diesels are sooty messes) see some soot from a diesel sometimes, all in all the gross tonnage of pollutants is lower from a diesel (due to the economy) than from an equivalent, or often less powerful gasser.

Lets see... diesels have:
-less unburnt HC emissions
-less CO, benzene, toluene, ozone emissions
-only a small increase in NOx emissions
-higher overall efficiency
-better longevity

and, if we got rid of the sulfur in our fuel, as should happen in 06 or so, higher efficiency systems will come on line, along with particle traps, advanced catalysts, etc., and diesels will have the potential to run cleaner than gassers.

It always amazes me how people think that a cunnins tuurbodiesel is more polluting than a california emissions V10 gasser
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JMH
 
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