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[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: Jason Adcock
Shhh!!! You're giving away my secret... I've been lurking on this board for YEARS, just waiting for the perfect time to start pushing $3.50 Classics...

Yep, fits the profile as a partner in the conspiracy. Tar Heel Staters are particularly suspect.

 

[Hokiefyd]

We are Devilish. The others are just Blue with envy.

 

[mechanicx]

Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
We're just giving labman a hard time because he seems to have a bias against Purolators. If the ecore's pleats stayed connected to the end cap then it did its job.


Just like some have a bias against all things non Purolator.


Why don't we just label real performance and value concerns as "bias"

? It's not about brand, but if some are biased against cardboard or fiber endcaps or plastic center tubes, flimsy construction at a high price or media blow outs or lower efficiency, I guess they are "biased" then. It seems to me only a biased person would sweep those concerns under the rug.

 

[mechanicx]

Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
We're just giving labman a hard time because he seems to have a bias against Purolators. If the ecore's pleats stayed connected to the end cap then it did its job.


My anti Purolator posts are grounded in fact. In no way do I see Purolator as being any better than filters made by American owned companies. Why is that important, American jobs.

To try to get a good answer to your idea of the plastic end caps, I emailed Purolator. this is the only answer so far. Where do you think these people work?


''Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen,


Katrina S. Hull
-------------------------------------------------
Robert Bosch, LLC
AA-FI/MKT1-NA
Hotline (800) 526-4250

"We keep vehicles moving".

-----Original Message-----
From: Labman
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 3:41 PM
To: Hull Katrina (AA-FI/MKT1-NA)
Subject: Manufacture

Do you have any information on how your filters are manufactured?''

Part of your Purolator dollars go to pay these people. Where do you thing they live?


See I don't even believe you anymore because you have a clear bias against the ownership of Purolator. But instead of saying you will only run an American brand filter, you fabricate other justifications it seems. I bet if someone else asked how the media is bonded to the end caps they'd at least get a courteous answer.

 

[labman]

There are many people here biased toward buying American. However, if you are going to buy American, you need to look at more than where something is assembled. There are cars assembled here with as low as 25% American content. Other have 80% or more. I am not even sure some of the despised made in Mexico stuff might not be keeping more dollars in American than some of the stuff assembled here. So yes, I am biased, pro American. I see no need to send my dollars to Germany by buying Purolalator filters. Not when I have a wide choice of filters made in American by American companies.

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
We're just giving labman a hard time because he seems to have a bias against Purolators. If the ecore's pleats stayed connected to the end cap then it did its job.


My anti Purolator posts are grounded in fact. In no way do I see Purolator as being any better than filters made by American owned companies. Why is that important, American jobs.

To try to get a good answer to your idea of the plastic end caps, I emailed Purolator. this is the only answer so far. Where do you think these people work?


''Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen,


Katrina S. Hull
-------------------------------------------------
Robert Bosch, LLC
AA-FI/MKT1-NA
Hotline (800) 526-4250

"We keep vehicles moving".

-----Original Message-----
From: Labman
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 3:41 PM
To: Hull Katrina (AA-FI/MKT1-NA)
Subject: Manufacture

Do you have any information on how your filters are manufactured?''

Part of your Purolator dollars go to pay these people. Where do you thing they live?


Guess you've never looked on the filters to see they say "Made in USA". If Purolator only knew you're real agenda.

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: Jason Adcock

Originally Posted By: sayjac
You also need to be aware that your post, particularly living only 10 miles from Fayetteville, now puts you in the category of being a stealth paid representative for Purolator.

Shhh!!! You're giving away my secret... I've been lurking on this board for YEARS, just waiting for the perfect time to start pushing $3.50 Classics...

... that is "Classic".

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: labman
I see no need to send my dollars to Germany by buying Purolalator filters. Not when I have a wide choice of filters made in American by American companies.


Then go buy Ecores or whatever you want and stop your constant "Buy 100% American owned and manufactured filters" crusade that does nothing but make yourself look a bit ridiculous.

At least the people who like certain filters have various technical information and reasons to back up their choice, instead of some twisted political agenda that drives their buying decisions.

 

[Soobs]

Originally Posted By: labman
There are many people here biased toward buying American. However, if you are going to buy American, you need to look at more than where something is assembled. There are cars assembled here with as low as 25% American content. Other have 80% or more. I am not even sure some of the despised made in Mexico stuff might not be keeping more dollars in American than some of the stuff assembled here. So yes, I am biased, pro American. I see no need to send my dollars to Germany by buying Purolalator filters. Not when I have a wide choice of filters made in American by American companies.


I'm not supporting an argument either way about oil filter choice. I hear what you're saying about buying 100% American, but I just think our economy is much more global than most would like to admit. Money circulates worldwide regardless of where you spend it.

Buy 100% American owned and manufactured products. The American executives and stockholders then go out and buy French Dassault corporate jets, foreign cars like BMW, and trips and/or vacation homes abroad. Woops, looks like the money left the USA anyway.

But wait! What's this? Dassault employs thousands of highly educated and well paid Americans (engineers, materials specialists, manufacturers, etc) in the US. BMW employs thousands of US citizens who build, sale, and service their cars. And so the money circulates round and round again.

Even the new user here "Holly" just got a job in Detroit (one of the toughest places to find work right now) from a German company called Mann-Hummel. In my opinion, good jobs in America and good jobs in America. It doesn't matter where the Holding company resides.

 

[mechanicx]

Originally Posted By: labman
There are many people here biased toward buying American. However, if you are going to buy American, you need to look at more than where something is assembled. There are cars assembled here with as low as 25% American content. Other have 80% or more. I am not even sure some of the despised made in Mexico stuff might not be keeping more dollars in American than some of the stuff assembled here. So yes, I am biased, pro American. I see no need to send my dollars to Germany by buying Purolalator filters. Not when I have a wide choice of filters made in American by American companies.


I actually don't really disagree or have anything against that. What I don't agree with is claiming one filter is better and another is worse based upon that. That's not being objective.

 

[AuthorEditor]

There is nothing wrong with "buy American" as one factor in a purchasing decision, but I refuse to let it rule my life. If I am looking at two filters I will choose first based on things like efficiency, construction, price, and ease of purchase. If all these factors are equal, I would probably buy American. But, I will not purchase an inferior product, especially if it costs more, just to "buy American." To me an American company that wants my business has to earn it by producing a good product and selling it at a good price. I actually admire any company, from anywhere in the world, that does that.

 

[jeepman]

So, the GM (American) Aveo I own was built in Korea, but my neighbors Honda (Japan) was made in Ohio.

The world is global now, you can't avoid it with some narrow agenda. The 200 or so people employed by Purolator in NC earn far more than they few engineers located in Germany, and spend those earned dollars here in the US generating more jobs. I am sure if you look at the list of investors in Champ, they are partially foreign owned as well. Every major corporation is "global" in the sense that somewhere in their structure, there is foreign money involved.

By the way, the money you spend on those Champ filters at Wally's, winds up financing more of the WalMart China purchases, so if you think all of it is staying in the US, guess again.

 

[SuperBusa]

Here's a good "sales pitch" for the Ecore design.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Champion+L......-a0124003645

"Our new Ecore advanced technology design is the culmination of outstanding efforts by all our employees, but particularly the innovative thinking brought to bear by our engineering group. It took over 13,000 hours of R&D and design time plus a major multi-million dollar capital investment for a state of the art production facility to bring Ecore to life," said John EvansJohn, president of Champion Laboratories.

Over 13,000 hrs of R&D

... guess they should have spent another few thousand on media blow-out testing.

 

[AuthorEditor]

My guess is that the Ecore problems we have seen are more a failure of the construction of a good design. No matter how wonderful the design it can be ruined when someone in accounting says to buy cheaper media, or cut back on inspectors, or run extra long shifts, or any of a million things, and there goes your great design out the window. It reminds me of some Chinese made boat anchors that were absolutely perfect visual copies of the original British design, but unfortunately they were manufactured of a low-tensile steel that bent into pretzels when subjected to loads. The design was great but the execution was lacking.

 

[labman]

Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: labman
I see no need to send my dollars to Germany by buying Purolalator filters. Not when I have a wide choice of filters made in American by American companies.


Then go buy Ecores or whatever you want and stop your constant "Buy 100% American owned and manufactured filters" crusade that does nothing but make yourself look a bit ridiculous.

At least the people who like certain filters have various technical information and reasons to back up their choice, instead of some twisted political agenda that drives their buying decisions.


Sorry, this is an open forum and people have the right to post information you don't like. Tough

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: labman
I see no need to send my dollars to Germany by buying Purolalator filters. Not when I have a wide choice of filters made in American by American companies.


Then go buy Ecores or whatever you want and stop your constant "Buy 100% American owned and manufactured filters" crusade that does nothing but make yourself look a bit ridiculous.

At least the people who like certain filters have various technical information and reasons to back up their choice, instead of some twisted political agenda that drives their buying decisions.


Sorry, this is an open forum and people have the right to post information you don't like. Tough


True ... so you'll just have to read all the good things about Purolators and all the bad things about Escrap filters.

 

[Virtuoso]

Personally, the only media I've seen fail was a Purolator-made Motorcraft.

But with all the hooplah, I'm going to start cutting open my used AC/Delco's.

 

[labman]

With the rash of bad reports recently, I think we all need to be taking a closer look at everything. Red Dogs reports on failed NPS filters upset me since I was considering them.

 

[mechanicx]

No Purolators actually failed yet

.

 

[webfors]

Originally Posted By: labman
With the rash of bad reports recently, I think we all need to be taking a closer look at everything. Red Dogs reports on failed NPS filters upset me since I was considering them.


Agreed. And it didn't take more than a second look at mine to realize that less pleats = more pressure/pleat. I exchanged the 4 NPS filters for Napa Golds on the weekend.

I'm more picky now about the filter I use than I am about the oil.