Crazy Ivan - Russian 6 vs 2 F-22's 55 miles Alaska

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/19/us/russian-plane-incidents/index.html The fact the two bears and refuelers were escorted with antiquated cold war museum pieces, i.e. MiG-31's, tells me this was just Ivan being silly. The MiG-31 was designed to launch from it's base and climb to high altitude rapidly to intercept our old super sonic B-1's. It is not that well suited to the fighter escort role. Would have been a duck shoot for the Raptors and the Russians knew it. Whole incident seems to only have entertainment value vs any strategic significance.
 
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Maybe just testing response times and tactics without showing the real capabilities of their modern aircraft, if they have something as advanced as the F-22 or the F-35???
 
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This was a provocation on the part of the Russians. The old Bear is about as capable as our even older B-52 and the MIG-31 is no slouch. Vladimir intended this as mooning us. This type of activity, should it continue, will result in the downing of one or more aircraft. Lord help the Russian crews should they draw first blood, since none of them would then make it home. Make no mistake, this type of provocation will result in a shooting incident at some point.
 
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
... Make no mistake, this type of provocation will result in a shooting incident at some point.
I doubt it. This is all old hat from the Cold War. They're just testing use and keep in mind we don't exactly advertize if we probe their defenses...
 
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It went on regularly until the fall of the Soviet Union. It's Pootins way of giving the U.S. the finger.
 
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Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
... Make no mistake, this type of provocation will result in a shooting incident at some point.
I doubt it. This is all old hat from the Cold War. They're just testing use and keep in mind we don't exactly advertize if we probe their defenses...
How many subs went down as a result of collisions during the cold war? Neither navy has ever talked about it. The Russians are playing games dangerously close to our airspace. They know this. They also know the stakes. Do we? A new Cold War has begun. Putin and company know this. We should recognize this as well.
 
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Officially...no subs went down because of collisions during the cold war. Do you really think the U.S. doesn't know the stakes?
 
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As someone posted, you're being overly dramatic. I don't know how old you are, but I'm old enough to remember the Cold War and served in the Army in the last throes of it...
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
... How many subs went down as a result of collisions during the cold war? Neither navy has ever talked about it.
Probably not many, if any at all, which is why they didn't talk about it. I think it would have come out by now. I'm not a sub nor naval guy, but I think the Soviets rushed tech to service in the Red Navy and this sometimes resulted in catastrophe and there is an instance where some Russians whispered it was the result of a collision with a U.S. Navy sub that caused a Soviet sub to implode, but personally I think it's B.S. and a bit of CYA'ing. Secondly, it doesn't advance your point very well. Why are you concerned with the big, bad Russians starting a war via accidents from probing our defenses and air space if we've had collisions resulting in hundreds killed that didn't even start a war? Do you have any idea how many U.S. Air Force airmen (mostly) died over or near the Soviet Union on recon flights prior to machines like the U2 or SR-71? I think it's well over 100. It's a bit of a dirty little secret that upwards of 200 U.S. service personnel died in shoot downs of rickety old cargo aircraft violating Soviet airspace on "accident", near major Soviet military installations. No Hot War ever resulted. We both knew the stakes: Armageddon...
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The Russians are playing games dangerously close to our airspace. They know this. They also know the stakes. Do we? A new Cold War has begun. Putin and company know this. We should recognize this as well.
And when we "recognize this", I think it is sort of "so what?"... We probe them, too. Putin is acting out of weakness, not strength, only the weak make threats...
 
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Back in the SR-71 days they'd fly directly at USSR airspace then turn at the last minute. The Soviets would turn on their latest and greatest radar and the SR-71 would turn on its sensor package and read the radar. We've been playing this game for a long time.
 
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
The Russians have their own stealth fighter. The YF22 is no match for it.
Several attributes may be slightly better but to say a YF22 is no match is silly.
 
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To hear the MiG-31 being described as a 'fighter jet' gives me heartburn. It is a high-powered interceptor. It is designed to launch heavy long range, high-speed cruise missiles. It can fly at speeds far faster and at altitudes far higher than any current fighter jet.
 
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We have always had folks who trumpet that Soviet hardware as "dangerously equivalent" to ours. Yet when we come up against it directly we roll over it like a steamroller. I have great confidence that our latest would easily defeat anything they can throw at us. And our PILOTS are the best trained in the world by far. The sad fact is we are directed by rank amateurs, whose lack of experience is rather obvious after their years of practice...
 
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