Umm, it's $50,000 out the door. There is no way I know of to get that vehicle for $40K.At 40k this is a tough sell.
Well of course I was thinking about the Titanium trim model they tested. Not the base model. Price as tested: $46,360 + $1,495 destination charge and then 7% tax, registration and title. In rough numbers, in today's market, that's no less than $52,000 out the door, for a COMPACT SUV that is smaller and less capable than the competition. I don't dislike it, but that's too much. Way too much.From the article: Base price: $40,700 (not including $1495 destination charge)
All new cars are overpriced like that.Well of course I was thinking about the Titanium trim model they tested. Not the base model. Price as tested: $46,360 + $1,495 destination charge and then 7% tax, registration and title. In rough numbers, in today's market, that's no less than $52,000 out the door, for a COMPACT SUV that is smaller and less capable than the competition. I don't dislike it, but that's too much. Way too much.
Well the base model gets an average of 30 mpg and 20k would probably buy about 5k gallons of gas which at 30 mpg would get you 150k miles. You'd probably have to drive that car over 200k just to break even on the gas savings by paying that initial 20k up front.Certainly the technology drives up the cost to the unaffordable range. The base model Ford Escape goes for $28K and the nice gas powered version goes for $32K. Twenty thousand dollars buys a lot of gas.
Sounds ideal for a BITOGer!Well the base model gets an average of 30 mpg and 20k would probably buy about 5k gallons of gas which at 30 mpg would get you 150k miles. You'd probably have to drive that car over 200k just to break even on the gas savings by paying that initial 20k up front.
I got lazy and didn't really calculate it. Escape is rated for 105 mpge or 32 kilowatts per 100 miles. I'm going to use my state rate of 23.85 per kilowatt so 150k miles works out to $11,448 vs 20k for gas for the same distance. Getting lazy again, probably over 350k to break even and you probably need a new battery pack before you hit 350k. I guess it'd make sense if you have lower electric rates or higher gas prices or good tax subsidies but the raw math doesn't quite work out.Sounds ideal for a BITOGer!
Well the base model gets an average of 30 mpg and 20k would probably buy about 5k gallons of gas which at 30 mpg would get you 150k miles. You'd probably have to drive that car over 200k just to break even on the gas savings by paying that initial 20k up front.
At 40k this is a tough sell...but a plug in electric capable of 40 miles is quite attractive. Manufacturers need a youtube channel to advertise electric vehicles so they can explain how simple it is to plug them in overnight and attain the "40 electric miles". My concern would be that I need electrical work done to my home to get sufficient charging....but that concern may be unfounded.
As a car guy - I am already cringing of working on a hybrid vehicle someday. If Ford offered a 10 year bumper to bumper 150k mile warranty, that would sell me on it.
The Ford hybrids, Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid and the Toyota hybrids all now use the same transmission configuration. The Hyundais and Kias use a more complex transmission that seems to be a conventional automatic transmisson differentially coupled to the electric motor. The Ford, Chrysler and Toyota now use the parallel axis dual electric motor/generators arrangement in the transmission which is very simple, robust and efficient by comparrison to other automatic transmissions. For a great education on this type of transmission go to youtube and search on Weber automotive. Ironically, it was Ford who started using the current parallel axis configuration about 11 years before Toyota. So you might say, Toyota is a rebranded version of the Ford transmission. It's essentially a direct drive transmission with 3 drive motor components (gas engine and two electric motor/generators) deferentially coupled to the final drive. It does no shifting so there are no active clutches. Toyota originally used a coaxial arrangement of the two electric motor/generators which was less efficient in the prius. Ford was the first to come out with the parallel arrangement in 2005. Toyota started using it in 2016 and the Pacifica hybrid in 2017. Both the hybrid and the plug-in hybrid transmissions are essentially the same. The main traction electric motor/generator is directly geared to the final drive so it always turns when the drive wheels turn. Since there is no shifting, and the gas engine can only drive in the forward direction, the electric motor/generators are the only way to drive these vehicles in reverse. In a nutshell, the electric motor/generators can drive and dynamically brake in either direction with a very wide torque/efficiency curve. They are driven in such a manner so as to run the gas engine in its most efficient speed range depending on load an vehicle speed. These motor/generators provide torque and braking from zero rpm to the neighborhood of 10,000 to 14,000 rpm. They have DC magnet armatures that are cooled with transmission oil as are the stators and are completely contained inside the transmission. These electric motors' horsepower capability range from somewhere around 40 to 130 HP each. The gas engines are not considered Auto cycle, but instead operate on the Atkinson cycle where the intake valves stay open a good portion of the compression stroke for increased efficiency. These gas engines generally do not have as much horsepower when compared to the same displacement conventional gas engine, but can operate more efficiently. When you add the massive instant torque, respectable horsepower and superior efficiency of the electric motor/generators, you get very smooth torque at any speed and excellent instant acceleration with no shifting or turbo lag. The electric motors alone can move these vehicles briskly, quietly and smoothly at any speed up to and beyond 70mph. Having had a Pacifica PHEV since 2018, we will never own a plain gas powered vehicle again. And we ordered a Ford Escape PHEV in April that just finished build. With current incentives, the PHEV versions of these vehicles are cheaper than the same trim level gas only versions. There's that and the fact that their range generally beats the range of all other vehicles including gas only, hybrid and electric vehicles. Our Pacifica PHEV can go from Dallas to Kansas City at the speed limit without stopping for gas with an EPA range of 570 miles with a 16.5 gal tank. The Escape PHEV we have on order has a range of 520 miles with a 12 gal tank. They both use regular 87 octane gas and get better mileage in stop and go traffic than on the highway. There is just no down side to purchasing a PHEV right now.Is Ford Hybrid still a rebranded Toyota hybrid system?