Conoco/Phillips question

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It's pretty much a given that CP makes Motorcraft oil, correct? So, would Motorcraft be any better than the TropArtic? Are they the EXACT same oil, just put in different bottles? I'm thinking about using one or the other (eventually) in the wife's Explorer, but I know the MC is more expensive than the TA...is the extra cost due to a markup by Ford?
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Originally posted by bighead:
It's pretty much a given that CP makes Motorcraft oil, correct? So, would Motorcraft be any better than the TropArtic? Are they the EXACT same oil, just put in different bottles? I'm thinking about using one or the other (eventually) in the wife's Explorer, but I know the MC is more expensive than the TA...is the extra cost due to a markup by Ford?
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I think they are close to the same. Close enough that I wouldn't pay the retail price for the motorcraft when you can get it's cousin for a buck. Without the Walmart prices Motorcraft is just a label.
 
The synthetic blend TropArtic is now showing up at my local Sams. Price about $1.09 a quart, but you have to buy a case at a time.
 
I recently ran a thread about these oils, and have also purchased 3.5 cases of 5w30 and 1 case of 10w30. They seem to be about the same or very close to motorcraft, but for a much better price. Everyone speaks very highly of them. I used 5w30 in my f150 with 180000 miles and first thing I noticed is that the engine runs/idles a lot smoother and dosent knock as bad in hot weather under accleration. Does anyone know if the 10w30 is syn. blend like the 5w30 is. I am waiting on an email back from conoco phillips concerning this.
 
Motorcraft is made to Ford specs while Trop Artic is a discount oil with reduced additives. Same with NAPA vs Valvoline. NAPA is a slightly weakened Valvoline All Climate.
 
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Motorcraft is made to Ford specs while Trop Artic is a discount oil with reduced additives.

I don't think we've found any solid info that indicates the differences between MC and Trop Artic.

But VOA's are indicating the same add pack & I certainly would not tack the "discount" label on any PCMO with the % of Grp III that Trop Artic contains.

Here are the Ford spec's that Trop Artic meets:

WSS-M2C930-A, SAE 5W-20
WSS-M2C929-A, SAE 5W-30
WSS-M2C205-A, SAE 10W-30
 
I thought "Hydroclear" was ConocoPhillips' brand name for their Group II+ and Group III severely hydroprocessed base oils that the company uses in blending and also sells to other blenders. (These grades of base oil stocks are water-white clear in their natural, unadditized state.) Pure speculation on my part, but I tend toward the notion that the ConocoPhillips brands (Union 76, Conoco All Season, Kendall GT-1, and Phillips 66 TropArtic) are much more like Motorcraft, if not identical, than different*. While some of the different brands of SM/GF-4 oils have more additive content than others, there seems to be a belief trend showing up from posted VOAs that the ones with higher additive content are the ones starting with lower base stock quality. I don't doubt they'll all work, but, given a choice, I'd prefer more robust base stocks as the starting point than depending on additional chemistry to help lower quality base oils meet the performance goals of the finished motor oil.

*Even the online product data sheets for ConocoPhillips own brands show differing values for certain performance parameters for anyone bothering to look them up. But, it wouldn't necessarily follow that any particular CP brand is "best" since we have no idea whether the posted brand results were taken from different production batches - there'll always be measurable variations from one batch to the next. I suspect to some degree the posted sheets indicate the allowable range of variation that any of these brands can display from production batch to batch and still be within allowable current API, ILSAC, and OEM motor oil quality specifications.
 
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