I was using Havoline and thought they were the same. I then put some Chevron Supreme in both cars. And my gut feeling is that they are not the same. Both cars get much better mileage and run and idle better. I don't think they are the same. Although i called Chevron a while ago and the tech i talked to said they are the same. This is just a job for these guys they don't really care what they say. I think Havoline and Chevron are different oils. I prefer Chevron.