Can GM's Oil Service Light be trusted?

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I have a '00 Silverado 5.3 with 19k miles.

The Oil Service Light has never come on. I just change the oil/filter once a year in June and reset the Oil Service computer.

I'm switching to M1 soon. Can I trust the computer and just wait untill the light appears?

The '00 Silverado system is different from the newer GM systems. My light is supposed to just flash while newer GM's state life in %.

Thanks for comments.
 
I had changed the oil twice in my 2003 GMC Duramax before "Change Oil" started flashing at 10,175 miles. I go 6-7K on my Delvac 1300.

Wife's 2004 Malibu read 56% at its first oil change, over to Pennzoil 10W30 at 4000 miles. I did the second at 7K, don't remember what it said. There is Amsoil 5W30 in there now, I think I will let it go to 25% on the OLM then in the GC goes
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They call them idiot lights for a reason:)
You would need to "tune"your own specific OCI for your specific car. UOA is the way to go....this way you will see how your engine is doing with your OCI choices. Start at a reasonable OCI...like 3K or 5K...change your oil and filter...send off your OCI....then you can see where you are at....if all is good on your OCI...increase your intervals say 25%...repeat until you get to your maximum OCI without subjecting your engine to any oil related damage....
 
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Originally posted by sgtgeek:
They call them idiot lights for a reason:)
You would need to "tune"your own specific OCI for your specific car. UOA is the way to go....this way you will see how your engine is doing with your OCI choices. Start at a reasonable OCI...like 3K or 5K...change your oil and filter...send off your OCI....then you can see where you are at....if all is good on your OCI...increase your intervals say 25%...repeat until you get to your maximum OCI without subjecting your engine to any oil related damage....


I would agree with this methodology if you were using conventional oil. Since you are using M1, changing by the light (or 1 year) would be a very conservative plan.
 
The light can be trusted unless you operate the car in extremely dirty conditions. [Read off-road or high dust.]
Remember that GM is liable for this system under warranty. If following it to the letter was likely to cause engine failures, even at an infitestimally small rate, they would be doing something else.
I cannot recall a single UOA posted on this board that showed Mobil 1 in a sound vehicle breaking down in less than 15,000 miles during 12 months.
 
You can read the % remaining if you have a computer connected to the OBD-II port. I do this, and change it at 50% remaining. That way I get the advantages of the better monitoring, without having to wait for the long interval.

I would not leave oil for more than 6 months regardless of useage.

In the 2000's, if the oil is spent, the light comes on a engine start and stays lit for about 30 seconds...then goes out until the next start.

One catch...if you have an extended warranty, some of these require changes at 3000 with reciepts to prove it.
 
My wife drives a 2003 Pontiac Montana with the OLM. I bought a 100K extended warranty (Fidelity), it requires that I follow the manufacturer's recommended service intervals as specified in the owner's manual. The manual says to change the oil when the message appears or at 12 months, whichever occurs first.

I changed from factory fill to M1 at 2950 miles, with the OLM reading 55% life left. Since then, I've been changing the oil when the "Change Oil Soon" message appears (10% remaining life). The OCI has ranged from 6900 to 7300 miles, about 6 months time. At 25K miles, the engine uses no measurable oil.

I'm perfectly comfortable running M1 at those intervals. Upon draining, the M1 still looks, smells and feels good. (I know that's not a scientific UOA.)

In a nutshell, I trust the OLM with synthetic oil. I wouldn't use dino oil past 4000 miles (based on my look/smell/feel UOAs over the past 25 years).
 
I have a 2002 Grand Am (3.4L engine). I think the light is reasonable for people using synthetic oil, but might be too risky for those running dino. I bet it also varies with various GM vehicles and over the model years.

In my Grand Am it went 11,000km (6875 miles) with 99% highway driving (75km trips) in the middle of winter with temperatures as low as -20C. In the summer/fall however it ran several thousand more km before the light came on. I will be following the light as long as I continue using synthetic oil. If I ever switch back to dino I will use my own judgement.
 
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One catch...if you have an extended warranty, some of these require changes at 3000 with reciepts to prove it.

Does that also apply even if you have the "official" GM extended warranty? If it does then it kind of tells you that GM is only concerned about getting through the 36,000 mile BtoB warranty with the extended drain intervals. If they are warranting the engine beyond 36,000 miles then it seems they want you to take "extra" care of the engine with 3,000 mile OCI's to save them paying warranty costs
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[ February 03, 2005, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: Whimsey ]
 
I have a 5.3L (2004 model) and asked my dealership the very same question about the Oil Service Light. The only Oil Change Interval recommended in my owners manual is to follow the Oil Change Indicator Light. When I was buying the car the salesman took great pains to tell me how the advanced electronics monitored the oil and reduced the need for 3K miles changes.

Now that I own the car, the service manager tells me that the Oil Service Light is what is recommended by GM....but he recommends changing the oil between 3K and 5K miles to everyone. It seems like the dealership is trying to have it both ways and make as much $$ as possible.

In my frustration with being unable to get a straight answer based on facts or science I found BITOG. I need to get as many miles as possible and want to do what is best for this vehicle. Now I change my own oil and I have been changing it between 3K and 4K miles (because it is new and breaking in). A lot of other people on this website have the same 5.3L and get great results with a variety of oils. JohnnyG has the same engine and is using Havoline 5W30 and the OLM. TheFuror (Bob W.) uses Kendall synthetic and he will have a UOA available soon. Being able to look at similar engines with different oil should give you some comfort in making a choice.

I am sending off my Castrol GTX 5W30 sample in a few weeks after 5K miles. I believe that I will settle on a 5-6K mile OCI regardless of what the OLM says.

If you only have 19K miles on a '00 truck....you aren't driving it much. Why not change it 2 times/yr regardless of the OLM?
 
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Originally posted by cit1991:


Does that also apply even if you have the "official" GM extended warranty?


I read the full text of the official GM extended warranty last fall. There was nothing that would force you to do oil changes except for those that would be reccomended by your owner's manual. In most newer GM vehicles, that means you change the oil when the light goes off, unless you drive in dusty/dirt contaminated areas. In "unclean" operation, the 3,000 mile reccomendation holds.
No guarantee GM wouldn't still be a bunch of bastards about things though...
 
Recently, I had a thermostat that was marginal and my coolant temp was only reaching 170 max ever. Most people would never notice this and only the scan tool showed it. Things like this can compromize the oil. I don't think the olm would know and I never got a CEL.

The OLM is a good tool and a disaster prevention measure. I like to know it's there and I uoa to find the real world results. I change based on a few uoa results on the oil I going to use.
 
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Originally posted by haley10:
Recently, I had a thermostat that was marginal and my coolant temp was only reaching 170 max ever. Most people would never notice this and only the scan tool showed it. Things like this can compromize the oil. I don't think the olm would know and I never got a CEL.

The OLM is a good tool and a disaster prevention measure. I like to know it's there and I uoa to find the real world results. I change based on a few uoa results on the oil I going to use.


That's one of the things the OLM certainly would notice and adjust the OCI for it.
 
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Originally posted by Tree Hugger:

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Originally posted by haley10:
Recently, I had a thermostat that was marginal and my coolant temp was only reaching 170 max ever. Most people would never notice this and only the scan tool showed it. Things like this can compromize the oil. I don't think the olm would know and I never got a CEL.

The OLM is a good tool and a disaster prevention measure. I like to know it's there and I uoa to find the real world results. I change based on a few uoa results on the oil I going to use.


That's one of the things the OLM certainly would notice and adjust the OCI for it.


Hmmm, Tech said no, only engine temp. is monitored not oil temp. and in a range that it probably wouldn't catch.
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Don't know if 20 degrees down would hurt the TBN that much???
 
I would like to know more about how this monitor works. Does it look at temps and speeds and length of operation (ie how long each trip is) and then come up with an OCI? If so, it really knows nothing about the actual condition of the oil, it's just running a formula against day-to-day operation. So, it appears that this monitor can do a lot more than tell you when to change the oil. Could it do the same for the coolant? And how 'bout the fuel filter and other maintenance items. The owner's manual could be reduced to look at the display. You could also end up with a running record of maintenance, sort of. This thing could be hooked up to 'On-star' and you would not need 'red light' cameras at intersections, any more. Acutally though, it seems like this thing is a good idea...if it works.
 
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Originally posted by haley10:

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Originally posted by Tree Hugger:

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Originally posted by haley10:
Recently, I had a thermostat that was marginal and my coolant temp was only reaching 170 max ever. Most people would never notice this and only the scan tool showed it. Things like this can compromize the oil. I don't think the olm would know and I never got a CEL.

The OLM is a good tool and a disaster prevention measure. I like to know it's there and I uoa to find the real world results. I change based on a few uoa results on the oil I going to use.


That's one of the things the OLM certainly would notice and adjust the OCI for it.


Hmmm, Tech said no, only engine temp. is monitored not oil temp. and in a range that it probably wouldn't catch.
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Don't know if 20 degrees down would hurt the TBN that much???


But it was your engine temp that was down...
And your engine temp wasn't getting out of 'closed loop' operation (i.e. never reaching operating temp). So you would have a rich mixture, and fuel dilution etc...
 
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Originally posted by LarryL:
I would like to know more about how this monitor works. Does it look at temps and speeds and length of operation (ie how long each trip is) and then come up with an OCI? If so, it really knows nothing about the actual condition of the oil, it's just running a formula against day-to-day operation. So, it appears that this monitor can do a lot more than tell you when to change the oil. Could it do the same for the coolant? And how 'bout the fuel filter and other maintenance items. The owner's manual could be reduced to look at the display. You could also end up with a running record of maintenance, sort of. This thing could be hooked up to 'On-star' and you would not need 'red light' cameras at intersections, any more. Acutally though, it seems like this thing is a good idea...if it works.

Oil Life Monitor Stripped Bare
(reprinted from General Motors)
The patented engine oil change technology involves computerized monitoring of engine revolutions, operating temperature, and other factors to optimize the change interval selection. The typical recommended interval for gasoline-fueled passenger cars and light-duty trucks is 3,000 miles (4,800 km) or three months, whichever first occurs, when outside temperatures are below freezing and trips are short. These conditions are considered severe duty. For ideal driving conditions, relating to long trips with mild outside temperatures, the interval can be expanded to 7,500 miles (12,000 km). Starting with the 2000 model year on certain vehicles, GM will raise the maximum mileage allowed for Oil-Life System-equipped vehicles to between 10,000 and 15,000 miles (16,000 and 25,000 km), depending on vehicle brand and engine*.

The development of the Oil-Life System began over a decade ago by researchers Shirley Schwartz and Donald Smolenski, both of the GM Research Laboratories. They discovered, through various investigations, that oil degradation, in general, followed pathways influenced by service and environmental conditions. The extremes of these conditions, as shown in Figure 1, are high-temperature, high-load on one end and low-temperature, low-load on the other. In between is the large operating domain representing the majority of driving conditions. The basic design of the Oil-Life System was intended to characterize extreme operating conditions and most points in between. While the Oil-Life System does not actually monitor any single quality or physical property of the oil, it does incorporate the use of a highly sophisticated mathematical model. This model applies the known influence of oil service temperature and revolutions to characterize the remaining life. The influence of temperature, in particular, has a marked impact on oil life. The almost parabolic nature of the aging rate with temperature emphasizes the importance of this as dependent variable. On the other hand, time or running time (in the absence of mileage or engine revolution data) was not found to be a particularly good indicator of oil life, since it did not adequately distinguish between periods of extended idle and periods when engine speed was high.

The onboard calculation of oil age was simplified by using penalty factors (as opposed to equations). A penalty factor is an indication of the rate of oil aging at a given operating temperature. For any given oil, higher penalty factors are associated with faster oil-aging rates. The model uses engine revolutions as a basis for measuring duration of service. Gathering the data to show correlation of on-board measurements of oil-change intervals to laboratory oil analysis is a slow process, requiring months or years. For example, a typical short-trip service test can last two years. During the original research program approximately 130,000 kilometers were accumulated in determining the constants for the mathematical model and another 160,000 kilometers were logged in testing vehicles equipped with the Oil-Life System. The four oil analysis tests are:

1. Total Acid Number (TAN)-Concentration of acid constituents in the oil from oil oxidation and combustion products.
2. Total Base Number (TBN)-Depletion of overbase detergent additive.
3. Differential Scanning Calorimetry (DSC)-Approximates the remaining life of the antioxidant (residual oxidation induction time).
4. Pentane Insolubles (PIN)-Concentration of carbon soot and sludge.

The point at which the oil-change indicator signaled an oil change is then shown. All oil analyses results are plotted, including those data points regarded as "outliers", that is, points with values differing by more than approximately 20 percent from the trend lines from all data. It is interesting that DSC data followed a rapid decay curve from the outset. Also interesting is that both TAN rises and TBN falls at an apparent increased rate near the point where PIN rises (about 16,000 km). Even though not all of these changes occurred with each vehicle and there was usually some oscillation in the data, it was still possible to use these generalizations as guidelines to characterize the oil aging process.

From these studies and other subsequent investigations it is clear that there are distinct benefits to drivers of vehicles equipped with the oil-life monitoring systems. For those who neglect to change their oil on a regular basis, the system provides reminders that a change is due. If they need the reminder and follow through with an oil change, they'll protect their engine from premature wear. And, drivers who thought they needed to get their oil changed every 3,000 miles (5,000 km) or so, might be able to go longer between changes. This will save them money, time, and perhaps more importantly, precious natural resources.

Ref: Schwartz, S. E. and D. J. Smolenski, "Development of an Automatic Engine Oil-Change Indicator System," SAE Paper 870403.
* General Motors has set the maximum distance for normal driving on the Chevrolet Avalanche equipped with the 5.3 liter and 8.1 liter V-8 gasoline powered engines at 10,000 miles.

Author Credit: General Motors Corporation
 
I'm not one to complete the full OCI indicated by the OLM, just for good measure. But the OCI should be whatever makes you feel comfortable; you purchased the vehicle. Not disregarding your good question, but maintain your vehicle to your satisfaction, too. On the 96 Cadillac STS, the coolant temp sensor was not plugged in, defaulting the PCM to think the coolant temp was always -69'F. The OLM was at 0% in ~800 miles. I suppose it figured extra fuel dilution, condensation, etc. I know it's a different make, but it seemed to recognize the problem.
 
Tree Hugger, I didn't get a CEL so maybe it got hot enough to get out of closed loop. I had 500 miles on the GC before repair. Should I worry or go the distance??
 
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Tree Hugger, I didn't get a CEL so maybe it got hot enough to get out of closed loop. I had 500 miles on the GC before repair. Should I worry or go the distance??

I'd trust the OLM and change it when it says to, but that's just my opinion (and GM's
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If you're worried about it, though, changing the oil anyway certainly won't harm your engine...
And worrying about it could harm your digestive system
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