BMW i4 M50 overheats with restricted power and charging during 1000 km challenge

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I'm not talking about temperatures. I'm talking about SNOW in the Midwest. I lived through 38 Winters there. From early December through late February, the roofs had snow on them far more often than not.

Not to mention you only get around 7-1/2 hours of sunshine in the Winter. And that's only assuming there isn't much overcast..... Which there usually is.
So, why should snow there stop me or you?
I know how is there. I lived in Detroit.
 
So you would spend that extra $20k then? Okay.
I said no. I am using incentives like other people. We all pay taxes and it is not gratuity. I pay, you pay, millions other pay, we are not doing anything special. Elected representatives create policy you might disagree with, but you are using every day things that are created by government incentives.
 
Like electric cars, solar panels are of very limited value for much of the country.
I am not sure I can agree, at least without digging deeper into "the country".
The average driving per day is like 40 miles.
Gas prices are all over the map, probably less than $3 to higher than $5.
Ability to charge? Electricity costs? Weather? Solar projects costs? ROI?

I am of the opinion EVs, Teslas at least, are not sound economical choices. But neither are BMWs, Corvettes, pickups (esp. bro dozers), you name it.
Value is really up to the individual situation and choice.
 
If something is so wonderful, It shouldn't need the government to help sell it with taxpayer paid "incentives". The incentive should be within the product itself, to draw customers to purchase it. With solar it isn't.
The government subdizes lotsa things, and even bails out companies. Like GM, Chrysler, etc.
While solar prices have come way down, I don't know what other areas pay. I was a somewhat early adopter, but the numbers were so compelling and fit very well into my long term financial planning.

As an aside, a personal reason for my solar purchase was to stick it to PG&E, the evil company who burns down our beautiful forrests and literally blows up communities like San Bruno (South SF City).
 
If something is so wonderful, It shouldn't need the government to help sell it with taxpayer paid "incentives". The incentive should be within the product itself, to draw customers to purchase it. With solar it isn't.
You are using products every day that needed government incentives and you never asked how they became mainstream.
 
I can’t attest to that. I turned on my system literally 30min ago.

Depending on what monitoring package you get you may get a production curve that shows this.

I saw an exceptionally trick house that had a two stage evaporative cooler dumping the "waste" under the panels and he was picking up like 8% on temp differential.

Best wishes on your system hope it works out well for you.
 
Depending on what monitoring package you get you may get a production curve that shows this.

I saw an exceptionally trick house that had a two stage evaporative cooler dumping the "waste" under the panels and he was picking up like 8% on temp differential.

Best wishes on your system hope it works out well for you.
Thanx. Problem we encounter here are utilities ghat allow only 120% of your past year usage. Denver allows 200%.
 
Thanx. Problem we encounter here are utilities ghat allow only 120% of your past year usage. Denver allows 200%.
Interesting way to scre...I mean limit you.

Mine just by chance/ budget, came to 116%.

Which inverter did you go with?
 
Thanx. Problem we encounter here are utilities ghat allow only 120% of your past year usage. Denver allows 200%.
Sounds kinda lame. I knew I would be retiring in a few years and therefore use more electricity. I rarely used the AC, because I am too cheap. Only when visitors were over; now who cares? And I figured I might get an EV one day; little did I know it would be 9 months later. So I asked for more generation than what was recommended. Glad I did, because I have talked to owners who bought too small and have to pay yearly true ups. Just the other day a guy told me his true up was $700. I wasn't gonna go to the expense and then have an annual true up. Pay once cry once.
 
Sounds kinda lame. I knew I would be retiring in a few years and therefore use more electricity. I rarely used the AC, because I am too cheap. Only when visitors were over; now who cares? And I figured I might get an EV one day; little did I know it would be 9 months later. So I asked for more generation than what was recommended. Glad I did, because I have talked to owners who bought too small and have to pay yearly true ups. Just the other day a guy told me his true up was $700. I wasn't gonna go to the expense and then have an annual true up. Pay once cry once.
One needs permit from utility. I would cover all roof if you ask me. They are fighting freight train that is at full speed. I talked to company to add more once they allow higher generation.
 
Interesting way to scre...I mean limit you.

Mine just by chance/ budget, came to 116%.

Which inverter did you go with?
Ah it turned out that company installed large 7600 inverter and 40amp breaker. City wants smaller breaker for what is on the paper, I think 6000. So guy put 35A until they inspect and will return to 40A.
Basically, I could generate some 140%.
Ultimately I want to replace stove and oven with electric And possibly water heater. Wife will eventually get EV. We will need eventually bigger system, and they will have to allow more generation.
One thing that works for me is that calculation is based on last year, and we had super hot summer, so AC was blasting a lot. This year it is absolutely ridiculous how much rain we had. 9 out if 10 days it rained. So, I am thinking that on average we will use less than what system is based on.
 
One needs permit from utility. I would cover all roof if you ask me. They are fighting freight train that is at full speed. I talked to company to add more once they allow higher generation.
Why do they even care? If you are on the grid, I would imagine they would love you giving them excess generation.
 
You are using products every day that needed government incentives and you never asked how they became mainstream.
That doesn't make it any more right, and it sure as hell isn't by my choice. I don't either seek them out, or care if they're "mainstream" or not. The fact of the matter is both solar panels, and electric cars would both fall flat on their faces in this country, from both a business and a economic standpoint, if it weren't for government handouts.

They're pushing all this crap like there is no tomorrow. And they're doing it with money they, (we), don't have. The government produces nothing. They can't give anything to anyone unless they take it away from someone else. And Tesla has been spoon fed from the government more times than can be counted.

They wouldn't even be here if it weren't for the government printing and giving them money. Only now they're starting to turn a profit. It's even worse for these government subsidies they're paying out on these solar panels. Every Tom, ****, and Harry, is selling these things, because the government is paying for the bulk of it.

They've been throwing hundreds of billions of dollars down that rabbit hole for years. Solyndra ring a bell? The American taxpayer took over a half a billion dollar loss from that worthless dog with fleas alone. Stupid.

Yet another total, complete waste. It's one thing if our nation was awash with surplus cash that we didn't know what to do with, but it's not. Far from it. We've got a complete national infrastructure that's falling apart, and not so much as a dime to fix any of it. Roads and bridges are in danger of failing, and are unsafe. We can't even pave the bulk of our streets any longer.

I don't mind seeing my tax dollars going to pay for roads, police and fire protection, schools, the military, and even for medical care for those who can't afford it....... But I, and everybody else should help you pay for your solar panels? I don't think so. If you think this crap is all so great, that's fine. Then YOU pay for it. Not the U.S, taxpayer, who is already being milked to the bone.

If it takes the government giving years of handouts to make a product economically viable, then that product wasn't worth crap to begin with. You watch how fast 90+% of these "solar companies" go belly up, once the government money train leaves the tracks for good. And that day will come. And as far as I'm concerned, it can't come soon enough.
 
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