BITOG and Fram save another engine

[eljefino]

Some kid came into my tire shop in a late 90s eclipse with the 2.0 (dodge?) N/A engine. Has a PH16 on it. He wants our <$20 bulk oil special which includes filter but he brings his own NAPA silver anyway. Thimble sized thing. (Wish I remember the part #.) Curious, I check out the baseplate, stamped "20" (mm), probably for a different Mitsubishi engine. I cover the box with greasy fingerprints and toss it back at the service writer. He tells me to grab a new PH16... which I know off the back of my head (via incessant BITOG threads among other sources) has 3/4" thread. 20mm strikes me as being just oversize enough to blow off eventually, later. Not sure what the kid thought he'd gain with the stunt. Any new engine on our nickel wouldn't have had his spray painted valve cover... he "customized" everything including the coils and plug wires.

 

[daves87rs]

Nice!

 

[Colt45ws]

Probably a 7317 or 6607 size filter. I would guess it might not have been intentional, but a bad look up. A lot of those eclipses and such are automatic Lube Audits at Walmart because of different, but close filters for the different engine choices. I had a one the other day where I pulled a PH3614 off a GM 60* V6. Supposed to be a PH3387A, of course. As soon as I loosened it enough for the gasket to come off the base, I knew something was wrong. It wiggled on the stud really bad. Drain plug was really tight too, so if I had to guess it was a home job and they bought the wrong one. Hey, its the right size, so itll fit, right?

 

[silverrat]

Wouldn't you make a note on the invoice that the customer supplied the oil filter? Maybe that would cover you if it blows off.

 

[scurvy]

You gotta start keeping a cheap digital camera at work... I'm sure you're gonna find some real doozies coming through the bay doors.

 

[Donald]

Originally Posted By: silverrat

Wouldn't you make a note on the invoice that the customer supplied the oil filter? Maybe that would cover you if it blows off.

I often supply parts to my mechanic and they always write "customer supplied part". However I expect the mechanic to do a once over to see if its the right part. I get most from RockAuto, but anyplace could pull the wrong part and ship it. Even the local parts place he normally uses.

 

[joaks]

What color?

 

[SuperDave456]

The shop I go to when there is a project that is to big, or that I just don't want to do has a sign. "You don't bring YOUR eggs to a Restaurant, Don't bring YOUR parts to our Shop." As a college kid working in a garage I helped out pulling a cracked exhaust manifold off some old beater. The person came in later that afternoon with their part that they had just finished pulling from a junkyard. Turns out that they had pulled the exhaust manifold from the wrong side of the junked car. The guy didn't understand, and got into a yelling match with our Manager. It was late the next afternoon before he had the right part.

 

[51Plymouth]

Yeah proper filter selection can become dangerous for the engine if not done carefully. For this example let us pretend it was a 1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse. (OP did not specify exact year). On Fram's website, it says: 4-2.0L F/inj. (16V) DOHC 420A VIN (Y) PH16, TG16, XG16 Models with standard filter adapter having 3/4-16" thread 4-2.0L F/inj. (16V) DOHC 4G63 Turbo VIN (F) PH7317, TG7317, XG7317 Models with metric filter adapter having 20mm x 1.5mm thread So it is feasible the wrong part number could have been looked up. I guess in every instance it all comes down to the installer to carefully "feel" if the filter is threading on properly and with the correct thread size. You had better hope an alert person is working on your car. With mass production and so many filters being made offshore with who knows what quality control, I am surprised there is not problems with wrong thread size machined in filter, or wrong baseplate during assembly. Once again, all the responsibility seems to go to the filter installer to feel during installation that the part is the right one.

 

[Colt45ws]

^ Yeah, exactly. I wanted to look it up earlier, but I didnt have time. I was talking to my friend at work about this exact vehicle and he had one come in with a 7317-size filter on it when it shouldve had the PH16. If you look, the one with the turbo is supposed to have the 7317. Judging by this guys engine..erm.."modifications", he is a "Fast and the Furious" type and thinks/pretends he has a turbo. So he picked the filter for the turbo motor. For the sole reason that it says "turbo" beside it.

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As a college kid working in a garage I helped out pulling a cracked exhaust manifold off some old beater. The person came in later that afternoon with their part that they had just finished pulling from a junkyard. Turns out that they had pulled the exhaust manifold from the wrong side of the junked car. The guy didn't understand, and got into a yelling match with our Manager. It was late the next afternoon before he had the right part.

Let me guess, the manifolds "are the same on both sides!"

 

[eljefino]

Yeah I looked it up on wixfilters.com and he probably thought he had the 2.4. I've been given the wrong part in house (still "green" but the other guys shouldn't be) like a can filter for a new corolla that took a cartridge. Was looking all over the darn motor for its old can!

 

[widman]

There are people who assume that all engines of a certain size ise the same, without realizing the year differences. Even the dealer here thought the 2008 oil filter would fit the 2009 on the 3.7 Cherokee. but it changed from 3/4 to metric