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The first gas station that offers soy-derived bio diesel opens today in the San Francisco Bay Area. One gallon goes for $3.60.
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Oh, and this post is more about availablity and price than the pros and cons regarding bio diesel. That's why I posted it here and not in the alternative fuel forum.
the pa turnpike sells 80/20 mix at approx 2.30 gallon.
Interesting sidenote: Agricultural experts have figured out that it would take 3 times the land area of Texas to raise enough oilseed to produce the biodiesel needed to fuel the current fleet of US diesel engines, at today's rate of consumption. Our gasoline consumption is 3 times that of diesel
If biodiesel blends could be made to cost the same as diesel, we would still be able to remove a little dependance on foreing oil. We would also be able to stop paying farmers not to grow things, and they'd actually be able to make money on their own.quote:
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Interesting sidenote: Agricultural experts have figured out that it would take 3 times the land area of Texas to raise enough oilseed to produce the biodiesel needed to fuel the current fleet of US diesel engines, at today's rate of consumption. Our gasoline consumption is 3 times that of diesel
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Speaking of Texas, couldn't we somehow harness the power inherent to omnipresent bovine flatulance?
A cow's really nothing but a grass-to-gas conversion plant.
I'd buy biodiesel blends at a premium, as it offers better lubricity, for the pump, with no compatibility issues.
I don't think I'd buy straight BD, except to make my own blends.
I think that both our countries have lost the plot on biodiesel, by making standards that require virgin oil feedstock, rather than letting the oil be used for frying first, then refined for fuel.
I don't think I'd buy straight BD, except to make my own blends.
I think that both our countries have lost the plot on biodiesel, by making standards that require virgin oil feedstock, rather than letting the oil be used for frying first, then refined for fuel.
Yes Shannow, that makes no sense. With all the fast food places and restaurants, it's a no brainer to recycle.
They call it a bio digester.quote:
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Speaking of Texas, couldn't we somehow harness the power inherent to omnipresent bovine flatulance?A cow's really nothing but a grass-to-gas conversion plant.
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Yeah that's all nice and effective, but a cow produces vast amounts of gas during the digestive process, and that gas is lost into the atmosphere. Where's Rube Goldberg when you need him? We must design a gas collector for the cow's exhaust pipe. In for an ounce, in for a gallon, I says!
but what could be done toi collect gas? you cant shove a methane collection tube up a cows butt can you?
it seems to be a hopeless cause as far as i can see.
it seems to be a hopeless cause as far as i can see.
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Why not? We have automated milking machines. I don't see why a cow couldn't be hooked up to a gas collection unit that's emptied automatically at the same time the cow is being milked. There could be a portable gas collector for outdoor cows. They say the dinosaurs seriously compromised air quality. Well, driving through Sonoma county, I can smell cows from afar! If there's smell, there's gas!
PS: I hope it's obvious that I'm kidding -- or am I?
Aussie scientists are working on the issue at present.
Kangaroos don't **** , which makes them much more fuel efficient...more weight gain on less food.
They've managed to get a few small flocks of sheep and cattle to do the same so far, but it will ultimately have a huge impact on greenhouse gasses, and food production.
Kangaroos don't **** , which makes them much more fuel efficient...more weight gain on less food.
They've managed to get a few small flocks of sheep and cattle to do the same so far, but it will ultimately have a huge impact on greenhouse gasses, and food production.
Shannow, please translate that to 'Merkin
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Hmm, what does a roo eat? Eukalyptus and any kind grass? Mmm, minty trump!
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Is that 80% or 20% bio? Regular diesel is here about $2.29 per gallon right now.
I'm LMAO reading this thread, with all the talk about Kangaroo f@rts and cows walking around with tubes coming out of their nether regions.
Seriously, though, the whole cow-methane thing has gotten way blown out of proportion. I really don't see any practical way of collecting it that would be humane. How would you like walking around with a tube up your butt all day? When they're milked, they're only hooked up for a short time, but they f@rt all day long. Perhaps someone could invent a machine that would separate the methane from the air, then you could hook it up to the ventilation system in the barn.
... but heaven forbid we should develop a couple of hundred acres of desolate wasteland in Alaska / ANWR. Instead, let's use up all of our productive farmland to grow weeds to fuel our cars.quote:
Originally posted by Pick:
Interesting sidenote: Agricultural experts have figured out that it would take 3 times the land area of Texas to raise enough oilseed to produce the biodiesel needed to fuel the current fleet of US diesel engines, at today's rate of consumption. Our gasoline consumption is 3 times that of diesel
Brilliant plan
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