Auto execs are coming clean evs arentworking.

These articles are becoming more prominent, and examined one at a time, may seem incredulous and overly sensitive.

But there's a trend here. There are now many articles reporting the same phenomenon. It's no longer just a few folks in denial of EVs. It's the mainstream balking at the overall idea. Major OEMs can't justify the expenditures of money and resources for such a low ROI. Whereas sales do ebb and flow by region, it's obvious that the upward trend of EV sales nationwide was only due to the boom among believers; those who are are able and willing to buy an EV will do so. But that hasn't convinced the majority of the overall car market; they aren't willing to fall lock-step in line.

IMO, are EVs a bad idea? Not really; they make sense in some applications. But, they are a half-baked idea; they're not fully reasoned and resourced upstream of the end user. The vehicles themselves aren't the problem as much as the over-promised potential (range; performance; repair costs; quality problems; etc), combined with a lack of full service on the national scene regarding charging, infrastructure, etc.


I've noticed a slew of articles, videos, and news releases all saying the same thing; EVs are not ready for prime time and the audience isn't interested in being involved at this point.
 
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I've noticed a slew of articles, videos, and news releases all saying the same thing; EVs are not ready for prime time and the audience isn't interested in being involved at this point.
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Tesla makes a viable product, and while not as stone reliable as my F150's are, Tesla's are more reliable than many cars of just a few years back. And likely much more reliable than my Jaguar.

**It really is price that is the problem**. The Model S vs. Impala comparison is a valid one. Both full sized cars and have similar interior dimensions and overall missions. One is 2.5x the cost of the other.

It is not lost on me that the Tesla has performance advantages. Not helpful if the motorist does not care, and not helpful to me on my epic long trips. I'd even say the rental Impala's are more comfortable on long trips.

In the end, I purchased a convertible performance car. I wish it performed like a Plaid. I can go a solid 450 miles on a tank, at warp speed. And, that's what a GT car is all about. Getting there fast. Not accelerating fast, and going slow to maximize range.
 
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EVs are kinda like a really clever magic trick that has been revealed. Plus all the virtues have been signaled ad nauseum and they have been discovered to be slight of hand tricks too.

Eventually even the rubes catch on.

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FreedomOne said:
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/10/26/auto-execs-are-coming-clean-evs-aren-t-working/

Interesting how things are changing so quickly in the other direction. Wife still likes her Tesla but she's going to a hybrid or gas next vehicle.
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Meh. Same ol crying story which has been getting regurgitated ad nausea by various media outlets over the last couple of week.

The only EV's which aren't selling at those at luxury pricing levels. Nothing more, nothing less.

Meanwhile the writing is on the wall folks. Affordable EV's continue to sell.

https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20231105000106
 
dnewton3 said:
These articles are becoming more prominent, and examined one at a time, may seem incredulous and overly sensitive.

But there's a trend here. There are now many articles reporting the same phenomenon. It's no longer just a few folks in denial of EVs. It's the mainstream balking at the overall idea. Major OEMs can't justify the expenditures of money and resources for such a low ROI. Whereas sales do ebb and flow by region, it's obvious that the upward trend of EV sales nationwide was only due to the boom among believers; those who are are able and willing to buy an EV will do so. But that hasn't convinced the majority of the overall car market; they aren't willing to fall lock-step in line.

IMO, are EVs a bad idea? Not really; they make sense in some applications. But, they are a half-baked idea; they're not fully reasoned and resourced upstream of the end user. The vehicles themselves aren't the problem as much as the over-promised potential (range; performance; repair costs; quality problems; etc), combined with a lack of full service on the national scene regarding charging, infrastructure, etc.


I've noticed a slew of articles, videos, and news releases all saying the same thing; EVs are not ready for prime time and the audience isn't interested in being involved at this point.
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The article would be worth something if they were new. A media outlet writing the same story about the same players which has already been told multiple times over the past week or two isn't newsworthy in itself.
 
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E85 and E100 is the answer. There's all kinds of ways to make alcohol fuels cheap and efficiently.
 
That there are currently more EVs available than there are buyers to take them is simply a case of too much too soon.
Current owners are doing a good job of educating the hoi polloi on the realities of EV ownership and use, dispelling myths about range and longevity of the battery packs.
Most here who own EVs are happy with them and find them both useful and entertaining.
Anyone who takes an honest look at how they use a daily driver will find that an EV would work just fine for them except for a handful of edge cases.
I've done so, and between what I've learned from the experience of others as well as what I've found in general, along with now reasonable pricing, my next car might very well be an EV.
 
BMWTurboDzl said:
Meh. Same ol crying story which has been getting regurgitated ad nausea by various media outlets over the last couple of week.

The only EV's which aren't selling at those at luxury pricing levels. Nothing more, nothing less.

Meanwhile the writing is on the wall folks. Affordable EV's continue to sell.

https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20231105000106
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Maybe, but, had a buyer wanting to trade in a '22 Hyundai base FWD EV SUV with about 15,000 miles on it. Couldn't find a broker willing to put a number on it. No buyers. And iirc, worth about $20k in trade.
 
A year or so ago I was talking to a local EV auto sales place. They offered me "$8,000 more than whatever I paid" for my 2021 Tesla Model 3. So back then it had good resale value.

But I didn't buy it for its trade in value. We bought it for the long term and we like it a lot. If it doesn't get written off in an accident (or stolen), we plan to keep it for the long term. We've kept a couple of cars for 18 1/2 and 21 years so they aren't worth very much at the end anyway.
 
For a period of time, posting anything against EVs got the cancel culture folks up in arms, accusing those posters of passing disinformation and that charging was quick and easy, and can be done anywhere with EVs being the only smart solution. Seems like the tide is turning and the group think philosophy is losing steam.
 
Another usual thread with usual comments.

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E85 and E100 is the answer. There's all kinds of ways to make alcohol fuels cheap and efficiently.
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Have you tried to start a vehicle with E85 in -20 Fahrenheit? It takes a strong battery and a lot of cranking if you can even get it to ignite. I like ethanol for its ability to make power, but that's definitely a problem in cold climates.
 
dnewton3 said:
These articles are becoming more prominent, and examined one at a time, may seem incredulous and overly sensitive.

But there's a trend here. There are now many articles reporting the same phenomenon. It's no longer just a few folks in denial of EVs. It's the mainstream balking at the overall idea. Major OEMs can't justify the expenditures of money and resources for such a low ROI. Whereas sales do ebb and flow by region, it's obvious that the upward trend of EV sales nationwide was only due to the boom among believers; those who are are able and willing to buy an EV will do so. But that hasn't convinced the majority of the overall car market; they aren't willing to fall lock-step in line.

IMO, are EVs a bad idea? Not really; they make sense in some applications. But, they are a half-baked idea; they're not fully reasoned and resourced upstream of the end user. The vehicles themselves are the problem as much as the over-promised potential (range; performance; repair costs; quality problems; etc), combined with a lack of full service on the national scene regarding charging, infrastructure, etc.


I've noticed a slew of articles, videos, and news releases all saying the same thing; EVs are not ready for prime time and the audience isn't interested in being involved at this point.
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I agree. If Tesla is doing so fantastic, and is totally dominating, why cut prices? When business is great you raise prices. I think competition is a small part of the equation right now. I also think people are truly losing interest, and lowering prices might help get it going again. I will say again imo, it is a regional thing, political, and not ready for prime time, etc. Add that all up, and the 2035 deadline of eliminating ICE makes zero sense, and Hybrid is a great way to transition.
 
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