Aussies executed in Bali last night.

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Don't get me wrong, taking drugs to Indonesia is plain dumb...it is quite clear that they have the death penalty.

Two Aussies were executed last night, timeline here

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-12/bali-nine-timeline-andrew-chan-myuran-sukumaran/6085190

Bit of a strange case in that some of the families thought something was happening, and contacted Australian Police, who rather than ensuring that they were nabbed here, seemed to try to ingratiate themselves by allowing them capture in Bali.

Since a change in Indo government, they appear to have been desperate to execute a couple of Westeners, ministers taking selfies of themselves and the condemned , and the final poke in the dog and pony show was denying the condemned in their last few hours of their spiritual support (relenting right at the end, but clearly designed to cause angst).
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Don't get me wrong, taking drugs to Indonesia is plain dumb...it is quite clear that they have the death penalty.



Period...
 
Originally Posted By: wemay
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Don't get me wrong, taking drugs to Indonesia is plain dumb...it is quite clear that they have the death penalty.



Period...

Yup
 
Originally Posted By: Doog
They knew the risks.


The laws are clear in places like Indonesia, and Singapore.

If you are caught with narcotics of any kind in your possession that were not legally prescribed to you, you run the risk of arrest,
imprisonment, and the death penalty.

I do not understand why those being executed couldn't have
last rites or counsel with clergy if they wanted it. That makes their justice system look unprofessional.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Don't get me wrong, taking drugs to Indonesia is plain dumb...it is quite clear that they have the death penalty.


i read the whole thing and they were taking it out of indonesia. not that it makes much difference to those poor souls.

the interesting part was one of the parents alerted the police about it.
 
If Australian authorities actually set these guys up for this end, then they are no better than those American cops who brutalize and sometimes kill subjects in secure custody.
Just how widespread is police misconduct?
We used to think of this as a third world problem.
 
I suppose the majority religion that controls cultural norms there is okay with the death penalty for smuggling. Probably in their holy book as one more okay way to murder people.

Yeah, I know the smugglers knew the law (or maybe they didn't). Doesn't change the fact that the penalty does not fit the crime. By a long shot.
 
Loneranger, that was where I was skirting with the dog and pony show of recent times.

Indonesia will petition, and pay blood ransoms to get their people off death row in other countries.

The recent terrorising of the individuals can only be described as a fervour.

Again, I have no sympathy for the results of the perps actions...it was clear, there are signs everywhere...it's how it's been handled recently that I have issue with.
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
That makes their justice system look unprofessional.


I'm sure their justice system is very unprofessional, as it is in many places (including the US).

Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
I suppose the majority religion that controls cultural norms there is okay with the death penalty for smuggling. Probably in their holy book as one more okay way to murder people.

Yeah, I know the smugglers knew the law (or maybe they didn't). Doesn't change the fact that the penalty does not fit the crime. By a long shot.


I agree the punishment doesn't fit the crime, but that's the risk you take if you break the law in MANY places in the world. You can't expect/demand the treatment you'd get elsewhere. Their turf, their rules.
 
It really depends.
If I were a significant member of the Indonesian government and the convicts in question were US nationals, I'd have to think a little harder about the wisdom of going ahead with their executions.
Our president is both head of state and head of government, and we've had some who would have thought nothing of bringing the full weight of American economic, political, diplomatic and even military power to bear in such a case.
Skating with the current administration wouldn't matter, since there'll always be another to follow.
We've removed the governments of other states in the past with less cause, and Indonesia is little more than a large collection of islands that would remain a part of the third world were it not for their oil.
I find this whole episode to be one that should inform the West in any future dealings with this country.
We execute people in the US, but only for crimes so horrible that those living in most of the developed world wish they had the option of executing such felons as well.
I'm not in favor of executing anyone, but those who face execution as a penalty have typically earned it.
They aren't just guys who were caught with some drugs on them, as was the case here.
That it appears that the Indonesians actively wanted to execute some Australian nationals makes this case seem even worse.
The whole think stinks of the corrupt administration of justice.
 
Midnight Express taught me all I needed to know about drugs in foreign countries.
 
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
I suppose the majority religion that controls cultural norms there is okay with the death penalty for smuggling. Probably in their holy book as one more okay way to murder people.

Yeah, I know the smugglers knew the law (or maybe they didn't). Doesn't change the fact that the penalty does not fit the crime. By a long shot.

American laws don't apply to other countries. Some countries try to deter drug addict, their laws are very clear that drug dealer/smugglers will be executed and this law did very well keeping their drug problem under control. Here, a drug dealer can be free after few years incarnation and he/she will do it again.

If you remember a young American kid in Singapore had been canned on public for graffiti/defacing some cars some years ago. That kid was much better behave when he was back home in America, and there is virtually no graffiti anywhere in Singapore, and it is a very safe place and very clean to live, you can walk anywhere anytime without being robbed.

In some area of some cities in US you don't want to even drive through after sunset, not talking about walking on foot. Graffiti is everywhere, on tracker-trailers, on traffic signs, on buildings, on subways ...
 
Originally Posted By: Kool1
The issue is not why is their justice system so strict; the issue is why is our justice system so lenient?


Exactly.


I always have to snicker when Americans complain when one of our
"upstanding citizens" (aka drug smuggler, user, or dealer) arrive in someone else's country and expect to get special treatment when they have the unmitigated gall to commit serious crimes, and drug crimes ARE serious, even in the US many if not most are in fact felonies.
Then they also expect OUR government to intercede and get their sorry [censored] out of a sling that they chose to get into in the first place.

I wish we had the death penalty for drug dealers and trafficking.
 
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