Arctic Nazi weather station base uncovered
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wonder what kind of motor oil they used ?????????????????
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Originally Posted By: stephenbrown22
wonder what kind of motor oil they used ?????????????????
Probably that German invented synthetic stuff
wonder what kind of motor oil they used ?????????????????
Probably that German invented synthetic stuff
Originally Posted By: stephenbrown22
wonder what kind of motor oil they used ?????????????????
Here's some stuff I found on British analysis of captured enemy oils.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4116462/1943_VOAs_and_UOS#Post4116462
wonder what kind of motor oil they used ?????????????????
Here's some stuff I found on British analysis of captured enemy oils.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4116462/1943_VOAs_and_UOS#Post4116462
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: stephenbrown22
wonder what kind of motor oil they used ?????????????????
Here's some stuff I found on British analysis of captured enemy oils.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4116462/1943_VOAs_and_UOS#Post4116462
WOT, no bear grease?.....maybe I'm thinking of MMO.....
Originally Posted By: stephenbrown22
wonder what kind of motor oil they used ?????????????????
Here's some stuff I found on British analysis of captured enemy oils.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4116462/1943_VOAs_and_UOS#Post4116462
WOT, no bear grease?.....maybe I'm thinking of MMO.....
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Originally Posted By: Leo99
The article makes no sense to me. First they say it was a secret base just unearthed implying no one outside of the Nazis knew it was there. Then they say "Between 1930 and 1990 the Nazi weather station was the only fixed presence on the barren island." How do they know that if they just unearthed it? And how do they know the polar bear meat was infected with ringworms?
Maybe they abbreviated the article for mass consumption.
As a reader of the mainstream media you are supposed to not think but believe.
If you were in the habit of thinking, you wouldn't read The Daily Mail, but if you did, The Daily Mail would quickly cure you.
Its sort of a tabloid frontal lobotomy.
Originally Posted By: Leo99
The article makes no sense to me. First they say it was a secret base just unearthed implying no one outside of the Nazis knew it was there. Then they say "Between 1930 and 1990 the Nazi weather station was the only fixed presence on the barren island." How do they know that if they just unearthed it? And how do they know the polar bear meat was infected with ringworms?
Maybe they abbreviated the article for mass consumption.
As a reader of the mainstream media you are supposed to not think but believe.
If you were in the habit of thinking, you wouldn't read The Daily Mail, but if you did, The Daily Mail would quickly cure you.
Its sort of a tabloid frontal lobotomy.
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
They might have been short of fuel as well as food. If the meat had frozen, it might have taken a lot of thawing, and they might have assumed that freezing would have killed the parasites.
I looked into this a bit a long time ago when I was working in London and sashimi (which, as an ex-biologist I wouldn't eat, though I like it) was a thing.
Fairly rigorous freezing kills the parasites you are likely to get from sashimi, and was required in the UK, but there was some doubt as to whether the more purist Japanese chefs would comply.
It also kills the common trichinosis parasite of pork. However, the species that infests arctic carnivores is much more freeze-tolerant (for obvious adaptive reasons) and isn't reliably killed by freezing.
Maybe its a German thing though. IIRC my invertebrate parasitology textbook mentioned a German battalion in occupied Norway put out of action by infected pork, and it should have been relatively easy to take precautions in occupied Norway.
Long time ago I sailed on a German-crewed barque in The Tall Ships Race and they ate an awful lot of meat, sometimes quite rare done.
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
They might have been short of fuel as well as food. If the meat had frozen, it might have taken a lot of thawing, and they might have assumed that freezing would have killed the parasites.
I looked into this a bit a long time ago when I was working in London and sashimi (which, as an ex-biologist I wouldn't eat, though I like it) was a thing.
Fairly rigorous freezing kills the parasites you are likely to get from sashimi, and was required in the UK, but there was some doubt as to whether the more purist Japanese chefs would comply.
It also kills the common trichinosis parasite of pork. However, the species that infests arctic carnivores is much more freeze-tolerant (for obvious adaptive reasons) and isn't reliably killed by freezing.
Maybe its a German thing though. IIRC my invertebrate parasitology textbook mentioned a German battalion in occupied Norway put out of action by infected pork, and it should have been relatively easy to take precautions in occupied Norway.
Long time ago I sailed on a German-crewed barque in The Tall Ships Race and they ate an awful lot of meat, sometimes quite rare done.
Originally Posted By: andyd
Polar bears carry trichinosis and the liver may be toxic ? Also their forecasts didnt stop the Nazis from invading in October still clad in summer uniforms.
Where? The USSR? They invaded in June 1941...
Polar bears carry trichinosis and the liver may be toxic ? Also their forecasts didnt stop the Nazis from invading in October still clad in summer uniforms.
Where? The USSR? They invaded in June 1941...
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
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Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
They found one in Labrador, Canada too. That was a rather hair-raising find.
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
They found one in Labrador, Canada too. That was a rather hair-raising find.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
They found one in Labrador, Canada too. That was a rather hair-raising find.
I'll have to look into that...
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
They found one in Labrador, Canada too. That was a rather hair-raising find.
I'll have to look into that...
Vikings got there too...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...nce-sutherland/
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...nce-sutherland/
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Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
They found one in Labrador, Canada too. That was a rather hair-raising find.
I'll have to look into that...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Station_Kurt
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
They found one in Labrador, Canada too. That was a rather hair-raising find.
I'll have to look into that...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Station_Kurt
The German weather station in Canada is pretty crazy.
Slightly off topic: The last few years people have been doing a lot of cleanup from Japanese battle sites in Adak and Attu, AK and getting a lot of the rusty scrap out. As others have said, we still learn stuff about WWII every year.
Slightly off topic: The last few years people have been doing a lot of cleanup from Japanese battle sites in Adak and Attu, AK and getting a lot of the rusty scrap out. As others have said, we still learn stuff about WWII every year.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
They found one in Labrador, Canada too. That was a rather hair-raising find.
Why so? You think Hitler is holed up in a bunker somewhere just waiting for the right weather report?
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
They found one in Labrador, Canada too. That was a rather hair-raising find.
Why so? You think Hitler is holed up in a bunker somewhere just waiting for the right weather report?
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Originally Posted By: Ducked
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
They found one in Labrador, Canada too. That was a rather hair-raising find.
Why so? You think Hitler is holed up in a bunker somewhere just waiting for the right weather report?
Because it meant they had U-boats landing in Canada and we had no idea where many of them were. Apparently one made it quite a way up a river inland according to recent claims. They have not confirmed the identity or whether it is actually a U-boat yet though.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
They found one in Labrador, Canada too. That was a rather hair-raising find.
Why so? You think Hitler is holed up in a bunker somewhere just waiting for the right weather report?
Because it meant they had U-boats landing in Canada and we had no idea where many of them were. Apparently one made it quite a way up a river inland according to recent claims. They have not confirmed the identity or whether it is actually a U-boat yet though.
German spies landed by U Boat were captured on Long Island early in the war and FDR had all but the rat among them executed after trial.
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Originally Posted By: mk378
It wasn't any secret that U-boats were coming the way across the Atlantic. Their main mission was to sink US merchant ships making domestic runs up and down the east coast.
This is true. And there are a number of them on the bottom around eastern Canada, like off various shores of Nova Scotia, for example. It has been, however, surprising to hear of them coming inland down rivers and the like.
It wasn't any secret that U-boats were coming the way across the Atlantic. Their main mission was to sink US merchant ships making domestic runs up and down the east coast.
This is true. And there are a number of them on the bottom around eastern Canada, like off various shores of Nova Scotia, for example. It has been, however, surprising to hear of them coming inland down rivers and the like.
Originally Posted By: Ducked
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
They found one in Labrador, Canada too. That was a rather hair-raising find.
Why so? You think Hitler is holed up in a bunker somewhere just waiting for the right weather report?
It was because the weather formations can more accurately be predicted in long range forecasts coming over the Atlantic IIRC. I'm not sure how big of an advantage/disadvantage this would have been. But certainly weather played a huge part in the battles. As someone pointed out, the D-Day/Normandy invasion took place in a very narrow weather window between storms. Not sure it would have made much difference if the Germans had had weather stations there or not, but the Wehrmacht was confident no landings could take place in June 6, 1944. So much so that Gen. Rommel went home for his wife's birthday..
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Having a weather station in a remote arctic location makes good sense, as does on-site staff shooting one or more polar bears, which would have been a constant threat.
But eating raw bear meat makes no sense at all. For a group of scientists that just wasn't very smart.
It also makes no sense that they would have been seeking treasure as the name suggests. First of all how much treasure are you likely to find on an uninhabited arctic island. And weather information would have been treasure enough. Keeping their heads down so they wouldn't be discovered would have made more sense.
The D-day invasion might have had a very different outcome if the Germans had better weather information and knew there would be (or even might be) a break in the stormy weather in early June 1944 which was clearly one of the prime periods for the expected invasion. Even Rommel was away in Germany because the weather was so bad.
The Germans had some weather stations in Greenland that were knocked out by the US Coast Guard and Marines IIRC...
They found one in Labrador, Canada too. That was a rather hair-raising find.
Why so? You think Hitler is holed up in a bunker somewhere just waiting for the right weather report?
It was because the weather formations can more accurately be predicted in long range forecasts coming over the Atlantic IIRC. I'm not sure how big of an advantage/disadvantage this would have been. But certainly weather played a huge part in the battles. As someone pointed out, the D-Day/Normandy invasion took place in a very narrow weather window between storms. Not sure it would have made much difference if the Germans had had weather stations there or not, but the Wehrmacht was confident no landings could take place in June 6, 1944. So much so that Gen. Rommel went home for his wife's birthday..
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