Anyone use or know anything about AFC-1000

[MrChet]

I did a search and didn't find posts about AFC-1000, "The Wonder Oil Additive".
Here is their site.
http://www.afc-1000.net/index.html
I have a friend who swears by it. He gave me their information. It looks good, but so does every other snake oil on the planet. He claims that after putting it in his cars idle faster, run smoother, and get better milage. That's some real big claims.
So I was wondering if anyone knew about it or had any experiance with it.
Thanks,

 

[Ken2]

1) Ask them for an MSDS. The Material Safety Data Sheet is required to be available by law. It will list any components of the stuff that are toxic or flammable...that gives some guidance to what's in it...or isn't.

2) The only hard claim they make is, "How can the effectiveness of AFC-1000 be demonstrated?
One way, aside from an extensive battery of laboratory testing, is by the use of an engineer's testing device known as the Falex Lubricitometer. This device measures the iubricity (sic) of lubricants by applying measured arnounts of pressure to matching sets of Timkin races and bearing which are spinning in a both (sic) of the lubricant being tested. Most products we have tested achieve results in the 4 to 7 lb. range before stailing (sic) and /or failing. AFC-1000 achieves results in excess of 30 Ibs. without stalling!"

This is a test that is (a) not repeatable with accuracy, (b) does not relate to engine oil. Liquid bleach with its chlorine does better on this tester than engine oil, as does shampoo or Coke with their phosphates. This snake oil could just add a big slug of antiwear or extreme pressure agents to the oil and look good on this test, but that does not make for good engine oil. There are much better tests. Is Falex Lubricitometer really an engineer's testing device? Do a Google search and see for yourself: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Falex+Lubricitometer&btnG=Google+Search


Ken

 

[MrChet]

Ken,
Thanks for the post. I did the search by clicking on the link you gave and it only showed 2 references to the AFC-1000 site. I even changed the search topic and didn't get anything.
I'll keep looking around and see if I can find anything else.

 

[kruL]

A coworker of mine has been using it since 1990.

He swears by it. He knows the retired Lockheed engineer that developed it.

It was also sold as Lubritech-2000 for a number of years as part of a marketing campaign.

Lubritech 2000 sponsored Bill Allen's SCCA Neon:
http://www.theracesite.com/results.cfm?fri=1528
Roy Payne's NASCAR:
http://www.nascar.com/races/bg/1994/28/data/results_official.html
and:
http://www.goldeneagleracing.com/photos33/lubritech2000.jpg
among others.

Sometime around 2002, the Lubritech name was dropped and AFC-1000 is now the only product label.

I can probably obtain a few ounces to lab test if anyone here is interested.

 

[airbus]

It,s poorly marketed. Their website states.."most people experience some sort of a mpg gain".. "but personal experience depends on personal driving habits".. Personal driving habits have nothing to do with it. If you are a "lead-foot" and get consistently 20 mpg normally,then you should see a definite increase in mpg using this product no matter what your "normal" driving style is!!!! Unless they give a 100% satisfaction (or refund your money) guarantee,I wouln't even bother to test their product.

 

[kruL]

I got 10% better milage from the magnets I put around my fuel lines, said one friend of mine.

Another swore 3 mpg better milage from the tornado thiggie he put in his air cleaner tube on his Furd van.

I believe them both. Because they knew the items were there, they paid carful attention to their driving habits during the "testing" phase.

A couple of months later, both reported that the "gains" were temporary. Why? Because they forgot about driving like there was a raw egg between their shoe and the gas peddle and resumed driving "normal". The "gains" were apparantly subconcious slower accelerations and less top speeds.

All snake oils are prone to these temporary "psycological" improvements.

This is a reseller's website and not the inventor/manufactorer's website.

Me? I dunno. I would like to see some common standardized test results from reputable independant people/labs before I made a personal decision about the product. Without much information, scientific, emperical or ancedotal, I remain undecided, yet open minded.

I agree with the money back gaurantee tho... should be required at a minimum if the product is "all that" and a ham sammich. ;~P

 

[airbus]

NOTHING lends more credibility than "putting your money where your mouth is" and offering an unconditional,no questions asked,100% money back guarantee if not COMPLETELY SATISFIED like Auto Rx does!!!!! People are fed up with companies trying to make a quick buck and making ridiculous and unsubstantiated claims. Stand behind your product.

 

[MrChet]

Well they say that it has a 100% Money Back Guarantee. I haven't checked into what it takes from them to get your money back though.
I'm looking for anything to help with my mileage. My Scion XB is rated at 31 city and 34 highway. I get 23.5 city and 25.5 highway. I don't have a lead foot and this is the first car that I've had that hasn't gotten the rated mileage.
I'm begining to think that I have a lemon.
Mileage is the first thing on my mind, but second is that I want something to slow down the wear so my engine will last longer.
Thanks for all the help.

 

[kruL]

My friend just showed me some information on the product.

James (Jim) Stephens invented the formula. Apparantly in 1992, he partnered with Peter Rajecti who founded AMTech USA to market Lubritech 2000 (AKA AFC 1000) and other products invented by Stephens.

The information states:

"...It is a complex proprietary chemical compound that reacts with the surfaces of touching metals causing them to burnish and polish each other instead of causing wear...

...In addition to its other amazing qualities it is non-toxic, non-hazardous and recyclable...

...The Lubritech formulation has a Class I rating on health or fire hazards, and reactivity. It will not adversely affect the enviroment...

...Lubritech 2000 contains no teflon (polytetraflouroethylene or PTFE, as it's sometimes referred to), no PTFE resins, no lea, no graphite, no carbon, no petroleum distillates, no sulphur derivatives, in short, no solid particles of any kind...

...Laboratory tests have shown that Lubritech 2000 does not change the physical properties of your oil, therefore it should not affect your warranty...

...Because Lubritech 2000 is not an oil and will not change the SAE number of the oil to which it is added...

(use Lubritech) ...only after the auto manufacturer's recommended "break-in" period or 4,000 miles. Lubritech 2000 virtually stops wear and would not allow the mating surfaces of the metal to wear in or "seat" properly..."

I will try to get some contact info on Jim and post it and the MSDS sheet for the product.

[ June 25, 2005, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: kruL ]

 

[Lumberg]

krul--some detailed info on there. Would be good to investigate this further.