I have seen them around but are a scarce breed somewhat like schaeffers. I do know they use moly but I have no idea of the base oil, additive levels nor what type of mo they use. I have never seen any oil analysis with this oil so imo, If someone was to use this, I'd not start out with a 15,000 mile drain. I would like to see this one day as for the price they are charging, it would make sense there has to be more to it that just that.