Any reason not to use Ultra for 5k

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Any reason? Consider this ...
- The XGs are generally rated at 99+% efficient; rated 20k miles
- The TGs are generally rated at 99% efficient; rated 15k miles
- The EGs are generally rated at 95% efficient; rated 10k miles
ANY of those filter are far more capable of the task you propose (5k miles).

NONE of those filters are going to be able to produce a result you'd be able to differentiate IN THE REAL WORLD. You will never be able to produce a filtration effect that your engine will see any real difference in cleanliness or wear rates between those three. The capacity of all three is more than you intend to use them for, and even the EG is rated for 2x what you will do. The efffiency of all three are so good that you'll never see any wear rate difference you can truly prove (not theory BS, but really show tangible results).

A "tad overkill" you say? No, sir, that's a massive waste of money that will never give you any discernable ROI. So why pay for a grossly under-utilized XG, when even the EG would be under-utilized?

Seems to me that your mind is already made up and you just want some manner of adulterized authorization to reaffirm your choice. So here it comes:
Do what you want; get the XG. There's nothing wrong with stuff that makes you feel good, as long as you're honest with yourself. Just don't try to convince us that it's a smart decision, because there's no proof it would be so.
I usually go for the ultra because of the specs on filtering and the fact that you all go ga ga over it lol. I’ll try the extra guard this next go round. I miss the days when I didn’t overthink things like this. I think I’ll start running extra guard on cars without maintenance minders and the ultra on ones with
 
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I remain unconvinced it is any better than a TG... but aside from the cost, no there isn't any reason you can't run it 5000.
I am unconvinced that using a premium will actually be of any advantage , I have never viewed a report on a million mile vehicle that used premium oil filters.
 
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I am a fan of running multiple OCIs on a filter as long as you have a good running vehicle. There is the matter of fewer opportunities for issues (bad seal, etc) as well as less mess and waste associated with filter changes. I use an oversized filter (XG8A) on my Tacoma & TJ, but even without that the chances of overloading the filter are very small.
I have a Fumoto valve on the Tacoma, so oil-only changes are tool-less and clean anyway.
 
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I am unconvinced that using a premium will actually be of any advantage , I have never viewed a report on a million mile vehicle that used premium oil filters.
How many of those million-mile vehicles haven’t had at least one engine rebuild? I mean over gotten my old Sienna to nearly 500K but there’s no way the engine would make it to a million.
 

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How many of those million-mile vehicles haven’t had at least one engine rebuild? I mean over gotten my old Sienna to nearly 500K but there’s no way the engine would make it to a million.
Can't speak for all of them, but I'll bet fewer than you'd think.

This is one of my favorite storylines:


I was curious about that Superduty truck and the maintenance it had. A few years back, I called the service center (Palm City) and inquired about that truck; after getting bounced around on the phone a bit, I was able to speak to the service manager. Here's the entire story, and it's actually better than what you see in the video ...
- The truck initially had a 5.4L 2v that gave up the ghost at 100k miles. The owner didn't want to wait on a reman, so they sourced a used 5.4L out of a wreck and installed it. That used replacement motor got him to 1M miles (credit the engine for 900k).
- The 1st replacement engine eventually gave out after a full 1M miles - they got het another 5.4L out of a wrecked truck.
- The 2nd replacement engine also went over 1M miles; it finally quit and was replaced
- The 3rd replacment engine went somewhere near 1M miles, and then ...
- The truck was eventually in an accident and totaled. The owner bought a 7.3L diesel SD and continued his dog-delivery duties.

All those miles were done on "normal" service-center jobber oil filters and bulk Havoline conventional 10w-40, according to the guy I spoke with. I obviously have no ability to confirm or deny his statements, but I don't know why he'd be motivated to lie to me. In fact, he mentioned that he decided to switch to using Ford trucks after seeing the success of this guy's mileage. The SD truck in that video was going 7k-10k miles A WEEK !!! It was running dogs all over the country, using a tag-team driving system. They were getting oil changes every week; probably averaging 50+ OCIs a year according to the service manager. Thank about that; this truck had over 3M miles on it when wrecked, and other than the first 5.4 that pooped out early, the following three went around 1M each!!!!!!


Here's a Chevy truck ...

This guy ran 1M using his K&N air filter. Oddly, they seem to get excited about the savings of the air filter, but he did actually change oil/filter every 4k miles (I read this in a separate website interview as quoted by the owner). So this Chevy truck went 1M on 4k mile OFCIs with an ol'skool 350 Vortec motor. Kinda ironic they saw value in the reusable air filter, but didn't blush at the cost of 250 oil changes! IMO, the key here is that they were flushing out contamination via the OCI so quickly that it really didn't matter that the K&N air filter was in place; the Si and soot were being removed quicker than they could accumulate to detrimental levels.


Summary:
Not all engines will make it 1M miles; in fact many won't. Those that do are often operated in a state of near-constant operation; come up to temp and are run moderately for long miles. That's not typical for most of us. But most engines can easily get 250-350k mile or more just using "normal" oils and filters. There's no assurance that using premium oils and filters will get you any further than decent quality normal products. I credit routine maintenance more than premium products. It has been said that using syn oils and top-tier oil filters will assure you the best running engine when the car goes to the junkyard; I think there's some truth to that. MOST (obviously not all) people will have a vehicle leave their possession via a wreck or boredom long before an engine will give out, no matter what is in the crankcase or hanging on the block.
 
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I am unconvinced that using a premium will actually be of any advantage , I have never viewed a report on a million mile vehicle that used premium oil filters.
How do you know it wouldn't have been in better shape (less wear, better compression, etc) at 1M miles if it would have used premium filters and oil instead?
 
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How many of those million-mile vehicles haven’t had at least one engine rebuild? I mean over gotten my old Sienna to nearly 500K but there’s no way the engine would make it to a million.


Don't know kschachn...

My neighbor had a late 80s 1 million miles Ford Escort... No overhaul done on it. . . I was shocked.... But it was a courier car that was driven a whole lot for a long time.

And I'd bet you Sienna has a much better motor than what was in that Ford Escort.
 

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How do you know it wouldn't have been in better shape (less wear, better compression, etc) at 1M miles if it would have used premium filters and oil instead?
I don't. I can't say it would or wouldn't. If your OCI control point was 5k miles, I'd say there would be very little difference. If your OCI point was 15k miles, there might be a significant difference. Simply put, there is way too little data for us to know one way or another. But the point is that normal everyday oils and filters are far, far more capable than most BITOGers would give them credit for; there are plenty of examples that conventional oil and filters can get vehicles to 1M miles.

But at 1M miles, does it really matter? How many people brag about their compression at 100k, 300k, 1M? How many people worry about fuel consumption when having 250k or 500k miles on a vehicle? They are far ahead of the $$$ game just milking every mile out of the car/truck/van.

BITOGers are, by nature, OCD about these things; if we were completely honest with outselves, we all would admit that. But we need to remember there is more than one road to the same destination. You either filter out contamination, or you flush out contamination. Once a sump is "clean enough" to sustain low wear, making it "cleaner" does not return much on your investment. High-mileage vehicles are not the exclusive domain of syns/filters. You can just as easily get there with normal jobber stuff.
 
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No downside minus a waste of money for me at least.

Surely you can get the OE filter for cheaper. Ultra cartridge filters are typically overpriced, but $11 is reasonable. The filter for my wife’s car is $27 at WM last I looked. I get OE filters for $5 online.
 

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I don't. I can't say it would or wouldn't. If your OCI control point was 5k miles, I'd say there would be very little difference. If your OCI point was 15k miles, there might be a significant difference. Simply put, there is way too little data for us to know one way or another. But the point is that normal everyday oils and filters are far, far more capable than most BITOGers would give them credit for; there are plenty of examples that conventional oil and filters can get vehicles to 1M miles.

But at 1M miles, does it really matter? How many people brag about their compression at 100k, 300k, 1M? How many people worry about fuel consumption when having 250k or 500k miles on a vehicle? They are far ahead of the $$$ game just milking every mile out of the car/truck/van.

BITOGers are, by nature, OCD about these things; if we were completely honest with outselves, we all would admit that. But we need to remember there is more than one road to the same destination. You either filter out contamination, or you flush out contamination. Once a sump is "clean enough" to sustain low wear, making it "cleaner" does not return much on your investment. High-mileage vehicles are not the exclusive domain of syns/filters. You can just as easily get there with normal jobber stuff.
Yes, it has been said before that the shorter the OCI, the less important the filter becomes. If the OCI was 1000 miles or less there might not even be a need for an oil filter once the engine is totally broken in.

I like high efficiency oil filters simply because they keep the oil cleaner, which IMO isn't a bad thing even if the OCI isn't very long. All it costs me is one less hamburger a year. ;) :)
 

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I like high efficiency oil filters simply because they keep the oil cleaner, which IMO isn't a bad thing even if the OCI isn't very long. All it costs me is one less hamburger a year. ;) :)
Wait ... Be more specific; are we talking run-of-the-mill McDs, or a gourmet 1/2 lb of black angus infused with blue-cheese and roasted onions?
Maybe if I strech the FCI to 3x and use a jobber filter ... Hmmmm ... Mmmmm! 🤤
 

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Wait ... Be more specific; are we talking run-of-the-mill McDs, or a gourmet 1/2 lb of black angus infused with blue-cheese and roasted onions?
Maybe if I strech the FCI to 3x and use a jobber filter ... Hmmmm ... Mmmmm! 🤤
Even just a Big Mac is enough to make up the difference in price. A big gourmet burger will be enough difference for 2 or 3 better filters per year.

One less of these per year puts the filter budget into the premium filter realm. 😄 🍔

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I'm with the multi use group. Mitivac out the oil through the dipstick tube for 7,500 mile oil change intervals. Change the filter (thats rated for 20,000 miles) and remove drain bolt every other oil change. Then I dont need to mess with jacking up the vehicle.
 
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XG every 18,000ish to 22,000ish sometimes a little longer.... usually 3X OCI's.

OCI's somewhere between 6K each, sometimes over 10K with lots of highway miles.
 

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Like I said I might as well just use the extra guard since I keep up on oil changes. I can get them for about $5.13 shipped to my house every 4 months from Amazon. Cheaper than Oem and filters better than Oem. I may switch my whole family fleet of Hondas to the ph7317 too since they already run the oil life monitor to 15% with standard wix filters and they’re rated for the same mileage and efficiency
 
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