Antithesis..........the start of something pretty big

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I would argue that this type of firearm is and is already inexistence. Many will fall under the same category.

This is a major change, we will see how long it lasts.

Personally, SBRs have their place, but they have drawbacks. Being punched in the face every shot by a shockwave is not tactically sound or fun. I can see this being applicable to those who run suppressors, to keep developed length down.
 
This video explains it pretty well. I agree, this is a huge "win" involving AR "pistols"/ rifles / & SBR's. And it's all simply common sense. You have quite literally millions of these "AR Pistols" being legally sold by the boxcar loads for quite a while now. And they're all very popular, and are selling like hotcakes. Many at very good prices. (Under $400.00).

Most come with 7-1/2" to 11" barrels, and a factory installed buffer tube, that will accept most any slip on shoulder stock. Previously if you installed one, (which takes about 5 seconds without any tools), you were now in possession of an illegal SBR.

I agree with this guy, that in the near future, this law will pretty much be the end to the whole "SBR" classification by the ATF. And will do away with that whole convoluted mess.

 
"In other words, as a result of the Agreement, the Reformation is not a short-barreled shotgun, shortbarred rifle, nor is it an NFA firearm; therefore, (i) no NFA forms are necessary to sell, transfer,transport, deliver, or otherwise deal in or possess the Reformation, and (ii) no ATF Form 5320.20,Application to Transport Interstate or to Temporarily Export Certain National NFA Firearms, isnecessary to transport the Reformation across state lines because the firearm is not subject to 18U.S.C. § 922(a)(4) or (b)(4)".

This is a direct copy and paste of the most important ATF verbiage contained in the lower link burbguy82 posted.
 
I watched the entire video and STILL don't understand what has changed.
It basically means that if you purchase an AR-15 "pistol", (like the one linked to below equipped with a 10.5" barrel), it is now legal to install a shoulder stock on the buffer tube, without making it an illegal short barreled rifle. (Like the stock linked below).

Before this it would have been illegal to do so. Because by simply installing it, you would have created an illegal short barreled rifle. Short barreled rifles, (with barrels under 16"), "SBR's" as they are referred to, require a special license, (Form 4), and $200.00 ATF Tax Stamp, in order to be legal.

They already eliminated the $200.00 tax that was going to go into effect 1/1/2026. This letter eliminates all of that. Now they can basically be sold just like any other rifle or handgun.

So you can take this

https://www.cdnnsports.com/radical-arms-fp-ar-pistol-5-56-10inch.html

And install this, and be perfectly legal in doing so.

https://www.cdnnsports.com/ar15-collapsible-stock-mil-spec-cheek-rest-caa.html
 
It basically means that if you purchase an AR-15 "pistol", (like the one linked to below equipped with a 10.5" barrel), it is now legal to install a shoulder stock on the buffer tube, without making it an illegal short barreled rifle.
I would not go that far....

...This rifle was designed for use with multiple TYPES of ammo.....and does/is not incidentally compatible with said alternate ammo, such as 223 snakeshot. This detail is what gained the favorable ruling.

Really, a gun in 5.56 NATO is designed to shoot 223...............so by the same ruling, any 5.56 NATO rifle should fall into the same catagory.

300blk and 556, with barrel change
762 NATO and 308 win.
38 spl & 357 as well for example.

I think the implications of this is pretty big, but also pretty murky.

So, what I think will happen is, the gun makers will redesign the guns to fire Franklin Armory's ammo, and incidentally, will shoot other calibers........such as 556 or whatever.

The change is in the ammo it is intended to use, not the gun.
 
I'm seeing this as being similar to the whole "AOW", (any other weapon) category the ATF created a while back, that basically legalized shotguns with barrels under 16".

There are already thousands of AR pistols out there. This will add more. And in the process create an unenforceable nightmare for the ATF.

Something they have already managed to do with forced reset triggers, and bump stocks. The ATF could over complicate a cup of coffee.

And with the $200.00 tax stamp going away for SBR's, there really is no good reason for them to keep SBR's in a separate class any longer. There's no money in it... Just more work.
 
Another extremely "grey area" that the ATF has allowed to get completely out of hand, as far as what is legal, and what is not, in regarding what constitutes a SBR, is the whole convoluted mess that surrounds, "pistol braces".

There have been AR-15 "pistols" for well over 2 decades now. The buffer tube was nothing but a round, smooth tube, that did not allow for anything to be attached to it in any way.

That changed when manufacturers started putting commercial and mil spec buffer tubes on them. That any and all of which could easily accept most any AR-15 rifle buttstock manufactured. All you had to do was slip it on, the exact same way you would on any AR-15 rifle that had an identical buffer tube.

But most understood that by doing that, you would automatically be in possession of an illegal short barreled rifle. Then came the, "pistol braces".

These things look all but exactly like a buttstock, and could be utilized in the exact same manner. And serve as a rifle stock. They came with no butt pad, and were split at the bottom. And were wrapped with a Velcro strap.

The idea being you could push the split bottom over your forearm, then with your free hand, somehow wrap the brace and your forearm up with this Velcro strap. And this was considered the "legal way" for these devices to be used.

It's ridiculous, and wouldn't work, unless you were a skinny, light framed woman, or had the skeletal structure of a 7 year old. Most every adult male who owns one of these, (which is around 99% of them), are owned by adult males, that found out there is no way they could use the thing in that manner.

So they simply shouldered the "pistol brace" in the same way they would any other rifle. Then it got really silly. When the ATF caught on to this, they said it was illegal to fire the weapon in that manner. (By shouldering the "pistol brace" itself).

Thereby making you a criminal by way of your shooting posture. I doubt that anyone was actually prosecuted for this, but it does show just how stupid this has all become.

Personally, I believe the ATF has foolishly backed themselves into another corner over all of this silly nonsense. And I think the final outcome is going to be as I mentioned above. They'll simply have no other recourse but to drop the entire SBR classification altogether.

After January 1, 2026 they're no longer going to be getting any additional funding by way of the $200.00 SBR tax. And there is no longer any valid reason, and / or incentive to keep on with this nonsense. Especially if they're not getting a dime for doing any of it.
 
Another extremely "grey area" that the ATF has allowed to get completely out of hand, as far as what is legal, and what is not, in regarding what constitutes a SBR, is the whole convoluted mess that surrounds, "pistol braces".

There have been AR-15 "pistols" for well over 2 decades now. The buffer tube was nothing but a round, smooth tube, that did not allow for anything to be attached to it in any way.

That changed when manufacturers started putting commercial and mil spec buffer tubes on them. That any and all of which could easily accept most any AR-15 rifle buttstock manufactured. All you had to do was slip it on, the exact same way you would on any AR-15 rifle that had an identical buffer tube.

But most understood that by doing that, you would automatically be in possession of an illegal short barreled rifle. Then came the, "pistol braces".

These things look all but exactly like a buttstock, and could be utilized in the exact same manner. And serve as a rifle stock. They came with no butt pad, and were split at the bottom. And were wrapped with a Velcro strap.

The idea being you could push the split bottom over your forearm, then with your free hand, somehow wrap the brace and your forearm up with this Velcro strap. And this was considered the "legal way" for these devices to be used.

It's ridiculous, and wouldn't work, unless you were a skinny, light framed woman, or had the skeletal structure of a 7 year old. Most every adult male who owns one of these, (which is around 99% of them), are owned by adult males, that found out there is no way they could use the thing in that manner.

So they simply shouldered the "pistol brace" in the same way they would any other rifle. Then it got really silly. When the ATF caught on to this, they said it was illegal to fire the weapon in that manner. (By shouldering the "pistol brace" itself).

Thereby making you a criminal by way of your shooting posture. I doubt that anyone was actually prosecuted for this, but it does show just how stupid this has all become.

Personally, I believe the ATF has foolishly backed themselves into another corner over all of this silly nonsense. And I think the final outcome is going to be as I mentioned above. They'll simply have no other recourse but to drop the entire SBR classification altogether.

After January 1, 2026 they're no longer going to be getting any additional funding by way of the $200.00 SBR tax. And there is no longer any valid reason, and / or incentive to keep on with this nonsense. Especially if they're not getting a dime for doing any of it.
Let’s make everyone repeat after us: short-barreled rifles are actually less dangerous than long-barreled rifles. You don’t see anybody carrying around a .50 Barrett with a 10” barrel, do you?

Forced-reset triggers do not turn a semi-automatic into a machine gun. Neither do bumpstocks.

All the gun “control” in the world will not stop someone intent on committing a violent crime, somehow.

True gun control means hitting your intended target.

And finally, in ‘hoodspeak (since I grew up in Gary, IN): “Don’t start nothin’, won’t be nothin’”, also known as Live and Let Live or the Law of Nature. 🤣
 
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