What AUG said!
Thats why if you are guilty, and you plead innocent, and the state proves you guilty, your sentence will usually be much harsher than had you bargained with the prosecuting attorney or just plead out.quote:
Originally posted by Dan4510:
but it is the nature of humans to not take responsibility
Dan
Agree that it ought to be this way, but prosecutors and law enforcement operate to minimize court time. Even when someone is dead on guilty, many times a barganing down plea-agreement is done. The down-side of this is that any small traffic infraction can turn into a 20 count indictment if you just sneer at a cop.quote:
Originally posted by Tim H.:
Thats why if you are guilty, and you plead innocent, and the state proves you guilty, your sentence will usually be much harsher than had you bargained with the prosecuting attorney or just plead out.quote:
Originally posted by Dan4510:
but it is the nature of humans to not take responsibility
Dan
Has anyone read Logik's original post here? He said he was "not going to fight it". He is wondering about his insurance increasing. In this long thread, only 2 posts alluded anything about insurance, but didnt answer his question. His insurance definately will go up, but since I do not live in Ca., I do not know by how much. Maybe someone from Ca can chime in here and anser his question.quote:
I don't think I should have gotten that severe of a punishment, but I was being an idiot and going for a cheap thrill so I guess I got what I deserved. I'm not going to fight it, but how does this look in regards to my insurance increasing?
Later he said he was going after a plea bargain too, in that case a lawyer is needed. He is going to pay either for lawyer or higher insurance.quote:
Originally posted by MAJA:
Has anyone read Logik's original post here? He said he was "not going to fight it". He is wondering about his insurance increasing. In this long thread, only 2 posts alluded anything about insurance, but didnt answer his question. His insurance definately will go up, but since I do not live in Ca., I do not know by how much. Maybe someone from Ca can chime in here and anser his question.quote:
I don't think I should have gotten that severe of a punishment, but I was being an idiot and going for a cheap thrill so I guess I got what I deserved. I'm not going to fight it, but how does this look in regards to my insurance increasing?
I've gotten 3 tickets and my insurance has never gone up--in fact it has gone down as I've gotten older.quote:
Originally posted by MAJA:
His insurance definately will go up
Why should he "take it like man" when our political leaders cant even answer a yes or no question without wanting to redefine the meaning of "is."quote:
Originally posted by Tim H.:
Maybe I should have expressed it as: why should he participate in a system that is sick and perpetrate the double standard of law enforcment so plainly seen here. Far too often enforcement is levied upon easy targets. I just moved out of small community where there was a crack dealer openly doing business, called for over a year to get something done about it, nothing happened but every time I pulled out of the community I got stopped for some imaginary traffic infraction... Having a doper two doors down makes life miserable and NOTHING WAS EVER DONE BY LAW ENFOCEMENT AND THEY ADMITTED TO ME THEY KNEW ABOUT IT.quote:
Originally posted by Tim H.:
I have to appear in court on the 13th of August which is, ironically, Friday the 13th. 1:00PM on that day, my fate is sealed. Here's hoping I get a good plea bargain.quote:
(b) Any person who drives any vehicle in any offstreet parking
facility, as defined in subdivision (c) of Section 12500, in willful
or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property is guilty
of reckless driving.
Not to hijack, but I do take exception to this statement. While there are some (after all, we are a small slice of society) that may fit this catagory, most, including myself, maintain the solid objective of serving the public. I have no other "agenda" than this when I report for duty.quote:
Originally posted by Dan4510:
By thier very nature law enforcment and the courts are arbitrary and capricious and operate to fullfil their own objectives rather than serving the public. Dan
You need to get ahold of that lawyer asap, that way he has time to 'deal' with the prosecuter, and perhaps come to a deal that is beneficial to you, and prevent you from having to go to court at all.quote:
Originally posted by Logik:
Alright, I got my notice to appear in court.
Basically, I'm being charged with 23103(b)CVC which is:
I have to appear in court on the 13th of August which is, ironically, Friday the 13th. 1:00PM on that day, my fate is sealed. Here's hoping I get a good plea bargain.quote:
(b) Any person who drives any vehicle in any offstreet parking
facility, as defined in subdivision (c) of Section 12500, in willful
or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property is guilty
of reckless driving.
And that's why the death penalty is so fairly applied.quote:
Originally posted by AUG:
In the court room everything is about relationships. Just like in the real world. The relationship between the officer that charged you and the judge or prosecutor goes way further to help your cause than a pit bull lawyer that everyone in the court room despises. Many of the wreckless driving citations I issued (yes, i was one of those "*****" for several years) were punished according to the attitude of the person charged.
If you act and dress like a dork you will get a more severe punishment. If you look, act, and talk like a decent person you will get off light. FWIW, make sure you have a conservative haircut, be clean shaven, wear clothes that one would wear to a funeral, wear nothing with a logo of any kind, speak in proper formal english, get rid of anything that might remind the judge of a fast and furious/ghetto wannabe type of person. I'm not saying you are like that but what ever you do don't give the judge any reason to think otherwise.
NO baggy pants, sideways hats, ebonic speech, no jewelry of any kind other than a watch. Don't **** off the judge in any way. The judge is the only guy that can help you. Don't **** him off. Find the officer the day of your court date and admitt your mistake and respectfully ask for HIS help with the judge. A good word from the officer will help you way more that a entire herd of pit bull lawyers.