Ahhh ... yes. Like privacy? Delete Google from your life and thank you again Apple



Stop using mobile devices and anything connected to the internet.

Joe

Well, to be honest, one would need to compared "apples to apples" (no pun intended*L*) to google. I mean, all this stuff is in the privacy policies, the writer is just re-writing what Apple has written with his distain and thoughts, he would need to do the same with google and other popular systems to have any credibility and it would need to be more then one page.
Meaning... does google maps say anything like this, and this is just an example ...
Right from the link provided by the writer, yet he goes on and on about apple maps.
"Retention
We do not collect or retain personal information associated with your Maps usage, with the exception of Ratings & Photos and Report an Issue."

Anyway, all I am saying is his "article" is nothing more then one of those youtube videos on any product. Its a one sided bash on a product without bringing up the other products on the market! Its a "hit job" of someones opinion nothing more and can not be done with one page.

It means nothing without a comparison to the other operating systems people use. Another example, Safari =

"Many people use Safari as their primary web browser as users think that Safari is one of the safest browsers as it blocks third-party trackers. But just because it blocks trackers and cookies doesn’t mean that Apple won’t use your web search data. Apple uses your messages, notifications, analyzes how to use your device and apps, emails, browsing history, and even contacts!"

SO what does the above mean? Apple will use your unidentifiable data but will block hundreds of other companies from using it and your browsing habits possibly in a much more sinister way vs the other systems which is a free for all.


Ok, so I would ask, does google chrome block cross site tracking and the likes? Answer = no
Does Apple block sites like Facebook and the likes from being able to collect data? Answer = Yes
"https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/05/app...ture-puts-facebook-and-snap-at-most-risk.html"

I do agree if you want absolute privacy stay off the internet but that isnt going to happen.
However if the public itself would purchase products that (in this case operating systems, chrome, Android, apple) or email systems, gmail, outlook, protonmail based on privacy the market demand would increase for these products and companies would provide them.
But, like everyone, no one really cares except to know as of right now Apple leads in the field. The general public could care less though maybe slowly understanding the scope of things. Though we live in a country where 90% of the population doesnt bother to lock their credit reports at no cost to them because they dont see a "threat".

What I am saying is, market demand will govern how much of your privacy is violated. Apple may use your data but but will do everything it can from letting hundreds of other companies use it in anyway they can. No other company does that. I think that is undeniable, just look at the uproar from Facebook when it was announced Apple would no longer allow cross site tracking, to me, that in itself means WAY more then some unknown person posting a one page post. App applications were also in an uproar.

Anyway, as we all know, anyone can write a one sided story on any company or any person without a comparison to others and that is all this is. A hit job.

I want the writer to post a one page story like this one, on which mainstream system protects its users privacy more and not bash the company that does.

By the way, it might sound as if I am defending Apple, not at all~!
As soon as a more private and secure mainstream system is available I will switch to that one but right now, that company is APPLE.
Until the public demands more we are stuck with this and I am already resigned to the fact that the public will never demand more. So you do what you can if you care.

My question to the writer would be what other major systems in this country force the likes of Facebook and every other app in my phone to ask my permission to use my data which no one allows ... and what other major system prevents cross site tracking like this?
I mean, Apple is not a saint and they are not the "Holy Grail" but to me, its the best we got unless someone better comes along, but unless people are willing to pay a monthly subscription how would those systems survive? They cant, until someone maybe one day figures out a way.
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"unless people are willing to pay a monthly subscription how would those systems survive?"
Paying for a subscription based service will not buy you privacy and security. This is a fallacy in today's computer/smartphone/Internet world. Microsoft themselves has made it clear that the way forward for them is subscription based services, including the Windows OS itself, and they are one of the earliest and most prolific privacy violators. Apple operates the same way except that they charge their users upfront for their subscription when people purchase their hardware (which includes their own proprietary OS) for exorbitantly high prices. Google operates from a totally different model, they give their services away in return for the users signing away their privacy and security.
 
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To be honest, of the mainstream browsers, Firefox is probably the the least bad one as far as privacy.

Among other things, it has the backing of the non-profit Mozilla foundation and is also a FOOS browser.

The one thing to watch on Firefox is the 3rd party plug-ins, and make sure you are not inadvertently installing a "Bad" one. Every plug-in I use is either a well known one and/or preferably one I get through the Firefox "store". I don't have a ton either-mostly adblockers, Javascript disable, and a Facebook anti-tracking cookie.

If you're really paranoid about it, though, use Tor and call it a day.

macOS as a *nix OS is has some level of inherent security lacking in Windows. In particular, even though both default to having your main account as an administrator account, *nix OSs in general do not make "adminstrator" users "root" users, so there is only a certain level of access available unless you specifically seek it out(temporarily elevating yourself to a root user is the common one, which is a simple command in Terminal but a very powerful one that you shouldn't use unless you know what you're doing, and probably isn't known to people who don't spend time in Terminal). With that said, Apple has stepped up the "gatekeeping" in recent years to where you have to go to additional steps to install software that they haven't vetted, and with each version of macOS the over-ride has become even more difficult and involved to access. In my book it's not a bad thing, as you can inadvertently grant Root access to malicious software without realizing it and Apple adds a lot of steps to make it even possible to run software that COULD be malicious.

All of that said, various Linux/Unix distros allow you to "lock down" even more, and some also benefit from "security by obscurity."

At the end of the day, though, one of the strongest defenses YOU have as an end user, regardless of your OS and other services, is using as secure of a password as possible. Apple will now randomly generate unique long secure passwords for website sign-ups, and then store them in your keychain for easy access. That will generally stop a "brute force" hacker who's just trying to guess your password from easily getting there. Unique passwords are also a strong defense, as is 2FA if available(Apple enables 2FA by default on a lot of stuff now).

A lot of the iCloud leaks/hacks over the past few years(the ones where naughty photos of someone famous end up plastered on the internet) have largely been a result of weak passwords and brute force hacks. I'm not defending the hackers or blaming the victims by any means, but a weak password is like locking your house with a nothing more than a padlock. Sure, it's going to stop someone who's looking for an easy target, but if there's something in your house a thief wants all they need are a pair of bolt cutters and they're in. A long, randomly generated password coupled with 2FA is like putting a vault door on your front door. Sure, maybe someone can get past it or find another way in, but they're probably not getting THAT door open.
 
We keep floating back and forth between security and privacy in this thread, I really feel like they are two completely different conversations.

Yes, I agree. And to add to that statement, privacy from who? Your government, advertisers, isps, cell providers?
 
In Apple's defense, I'm quite certain that Google can't "read" the data in that storage. Not denying that Google doesn't read/use customer's data, but not with all of it (mail for keywords, though they stopped; location data, browsing / search history data, etc, etc).
 
In Apple's defense, I'm quite certain that Google can't "read" the data in that storage. Not denying that Google doesn't read/use customer's data, but not with all of it (mail for keywords, though they stopped; location data, browsing / search history data, etc, etc).
Google Cloud Platform does not fall under the same data access provisions that are inherent in Google's relationship with consumers. I have a small handful of servers on GCP and the encryption key is mine, not theirs. So anything Apple stores on GCP would belong to, and would be accessible solely by, Apple.

But Google paying for Apple for use Google as the default search in Safari DOES avail search (and the accompanying data collection) data that is part and parcel to conducting a search on Google; especially if you have a Google account and their cookies in your browser. That is precisely why spending any given dollar to make their search engine the default makes sense to Google: The data they collect and leverage from Safari users is obviously worth $15b to them. All of those hipster Apple users and their apparently endless disposable income searching for "avocado toast recipes" must be very lucrative! ;)

@alarmguy I have to ask, not having read through this entire thread: Have you changed the default search engine in Safari? I can't imagine it being too difficult to alter it to DuckDuckGo.
 
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I have to ask, not having read through this entire thread: Have you changed the default search engine in Safari? I can't imagine it being too difficult to alter it to DuckDuckGo.
He does use DuckDuckGo (one of the earlier replies in this thread) ;)
 
@alarmguy I have to ask, not having read through this entire thread: Have you changed the default search engine in Safari? I can't imagine it being too difficult to alter it to DuckDuckGo.
Yes,
duckduckgo.com is my default search engine

It takes seconds to change your default search engine. That goes for any browser.
 
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And what do we really know about the Duck search engine? Aside from the marketing claims and assurances?

If you get a product for free - you are the product.
 
And what do we really know about the Duck search engine? Aside from the marketing claims and assurances?

If you get a product for free - you are the product.
Same as we know about any of these tech companies as previously mentioned, their Privacy Policy.

So if you are concerned, you could always compare any companies services that you use with each others privacy policy.
 
I dont know, yeah, I do know, its an old saying, but so still true.
"You can take a horse to water but cant make him drink"

No one does surveillance anywhere close to google and I will say it again, my post is not for those who dont care, its for those who do care and may not be aware. Im fine with people who understand and know it but most have no clue how extensive it is and no company is worse then google, maybe Facebook too.

My OP praising Apple is simply because if not for them many people would not be aware. I am not saying they are a Holy Grail but I am saying its undeniably better then anything google, Facebook and whomever else in the major systems and because of APPLE pressure is mounting on those companies to cut it back.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdof...FI1X-yL983GWQRcKDyrkj2jXO6m_o&sh=46859d944a97
 
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The Verge: Apple will ask before it targets you with its ads in iOS 15.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/2/22654121/apple-personalized-ads-ios-15-prompt-app-tracking
I guess throwing a bone to the public being iOS 15 will have built - in spyware scanning your information before its sent to iCloud.
Noble cause for Child Porn but I think misguided installing this on every personal device turning it into a reporting agency for illegal material and possible roque actors some years down the road or what about the next public "concern" ... ? and what about those living in repressive countries? Concern for back doors? We already know thew abuses in our own government.

I think, as far as what I read, this will enable apple to finally end to end encrypt your data in iCloud ??? Most likely not with the FBI pressuring them but maybe the back door on iOS15 will remove that pressure or make it more easy for them to do.

Like I said, I look at Apple as the more private major system but they are not the holy grail, yet as far as I am concerned not sharing my information with corporations they are tops in the field but they are wading into a slippery slope of alienating the feeling of privacy when using their devices. Im all good with them scanning their servers (as even google does) for illegal material/child porn but to have the system installed on every device running iOS15 is REALLY weird.

and ok ... maybe this time I will be ok with being an "alarmist" because we all know, even in the USA, no matter how noble the cause when allowing privacy to be invaded, it is ALWAYS abused and many times innocent people go down.
 
Update,
Apple spyware in iOS delayed, some say they didn’t want to screw up the iPhone 13 release over this, I suspect that maybe right and this delay is just that.


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i dont know apple wants to see our pictures and call the cops if they see that my dog went too long without a bath.
 
"Apple’s iOS 14 really doubled down on iPhone privacy, particularly with the launch of App Tracking Transparency, which has impacted data hungry tech giants such as Google and Facebook by making tracking on your iPhone opt in only.


The new iPhone operating system, iOS 15, will build on this further with a privacy dashboard which shows which permissions you have given apps and how often they have accessed them (for example, your camera). You can then revoke these if you like. In a later iOS 15 version, this dashboard will include the apps tracking you too.

An end to email tracking, and Private Relay​

Apple’s iOS 15 cracks down on tracking even further with a feature that allows you to turn off the email tracking marketers perform to measure factors such as whether you opened the email, and the time that you did so. It doesn’t look like the setting will be on by default, so I’d recommend you turn it on straight away after installing iOS 15— you have nothing to lose and your privacy to gain."

Source = https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateof...KEFP0Nc3vGE-iS_5OsZj1QHHCAPG0&sh=70e9329674d1
 
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