BITOGERs Fumoto valve vs Fram Sure Drain? I had a frustrating experience on the weekend. I have never before in my adult life had enough space to even do my own oil changes. Now that I do, I am eager. Also for the first time I have parking space for 3 cars, meaning I can store my P-car instead of winter driving it. My objectives with DIY Oil changes are primarily the routine freedom to use my own choice of oil and filter and to once a year preparation of my car for winter storage with fresh oil. I had my new to me car, a fancy German oil filter, filter wrench, Auto-RX, 7 quarts of Esso XD-3 15w40 HDEO, car ramps and hand tools in my tiny and i mean tiny garage. It is a major chore getting it up on ramps due to the lack of space and the low clearance of the front end. Anyhow I got her up and got under with a drain pan and socket wrench. The oil drain plug appeared to have been tightend by Zeus. I was exerting so much force trying to release it I was worried about dropping the car on myself. It was also about 85 degrees and about 99% humidity so I thought, I will lose ten pounds in sweat just trying to get this puppy open. So I chickened out and took it to a quickkie lube place. Since this is a short OCI for ARX clean, the quickie lube commodiities should be okay, but I still paid more for bulk oil and filter than I would have to DIY with quality parts. Anyhow, I asked the Lube guys to try not to massively overtighten the drain plug so maybe I can get it open next time, but I really started to think "Man this would have been so straightforward if I had a better way of draining oil" So, given that I do not appear to have clearance problems with the drain plug, and will not be winter driving this car, what are recommendations on a Fumoto valve vs Fram Sure Drain? I admit the name Fram makes me nervous. My main priority is functional integrity eg it not leaking, being knocked open, or deciding to dump on its own rather than pure ease of use.