ACD vs Redline Ester %, ZDDP, and VIIs or not....

[BuickGN]

We all know Redline uses an ester basestock although I'm not sure what the percent is. I have several questions though and this will be the last time I'll bother everyone with this stuff... 1) Is the Redline street 10w-30 a straight weight labeled as a 10w-30 or does it have a small amount of VIIs? It has roughly the same VI as the ACD straight weight so I'm leaning toward no VIIs. 2) I've heard in the past that the Amsoil ACD uses some esters but I can't find any info on it. Anyone, Pablo or Gary? 3) Anyone know how much ZDDP is in the Redline street oils? Can't find any info. I see that it's SM rated so I'm assuming it has to be less than the ACD, is this correct?

 

[BuickGN]

Looking a little closer, the Redline 5w-30 seems the same or better in every way over the 10w-30. Higher flashpoint, same HTHS, lower 40c viscosity, about the same 100c visc. I wonder if this is a better basestock or if it has some or more VIIs...

 

[Gary Allan]

1) got me swinging 2) I've got nothing but the PR version for you. 3) Looks potent enough ..but SM?? http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1314937#Post1314937

 

[Cup of Joe]

 Originally Posted By: BuickGN

1) Is the Redline street 10w-30 a straight weight labeled as a 10w-30 or does it have a small amount of VIIs? It has roughly the same VI as the ACD straight weight so I'm leaning toward no VIIs.

It looks like the street has some VII's to me comparing the race 30wt/10w30 which is 131 and the street 10w30 which is 142, the 5w30 jumps to 162.

 

[d00df00d]

 Originally Posted By: BuickGN

1) Is the Redline street 10w-30 a straight weight labeled as a 10w-30 or does it have a small amount of VIIs? It has roughly the same VI as the ACD straight weight so I'm leaning toward no VIIs.

I spoke with a Red Line rep a while back and he said that they use no VIIs whatsoever in any of their oils except the 5w-40. This was before they introduced their 0w-xx oils so I'm not sure about those, but I know the 5w-30 and 10w-30 were included in that statement. As I understand, the line between a "straight" and a "multigrade" oil is not always clear with synthetics anyway. For example, they could be mixing two base stocks with different viscosities. Is one of them a VII in that case? Maybe so, but if it doesn't shear, does it really matter?

 Originally Posted By: BuickGN

Looking a little closer, the Redline 5w-30 seems the same or better in every way over the 10w-30. Higher flashpoint, same HTHS, lower 40c viscosity, about the same 100c visc. I wonder if this is a better basestock or if it has some or more VIIs...

FWIW, I often hear that oils with narrower (not sure of the actual term here) viscosity classifications are always tougher all else equal, even if their specs aren't as good on paper. E.g. a straight-30 is tougher than a 10w-30, which is tougher than a 5w-30, even if none of them contains VIIs. Something about the inherent properties of high VII basestocks. Maybe someone better informed can chime in on this... Then again, I'm sure the 5w-30 is plenty tough for most apps, and there's probably no reason to compromise cold properties.

 

[d00df00d]

 Originally Posted By: TaterandNoodles

It looks like the street has some VII's to me comparing the race 30wt/10w30 which is 131 and the street 10w30 which is 142, the 5w30 jumps to 162.

Amsoil used to make a 0w-30 with a VI of more than 190, with no VIIs.

 

[boxcartommie22]

zddp in redline is 1360 and phos is 1260 moly is 950ppm...is you ever have any questions call redline ask to speak to dave he will tell you info.

 

[saaber1]

If we use kv100/HTHS as an indicator of VII levels in the oil, these calculations done by JPR seems to support what Dood was saying that there are low VII levels. Here the thread FYI http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1118409 ** 10W30 ** Redline Synthetic 10W-30 2.82 Mobil Mobil 1 10W-30 3.18 Mobil Mobil 1 High Mileage 10W-30 3.22 Shell Quaker State Peak Performance 10W-30 3.28 Shell Pennzoil Multigrade 10W-30 3.35 Mobil Mobil 1 Extended Performance 10W-30 3.45 ** 10w40 ** Redline Synthetic 10W-40 3.11 Fuchs Titan GT1 10W-40 3.38 Mobil Mobil 1 High Mileage 10W-40 3.62 Shell Pennzoil Multigrade 10W-40 3.68 ** 5w30 ** Redline Synthetic 5W-30 2.79 Fuchs Titan GT1 5W-30 3.18 Fuchs Titan GT1 Longlife III 5W-30 3.24 meguin megol Motorenol Quality 5W-30 3.29 Fuchs Titan Supersyn (SL) 5W-30 3.31 Castrol Syntec 5W-30 3.32 Shell Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 3.32 Shell Pennzoil Platinum European Formulation Ultra 5W-30 3.34 Amsoil ASL 100% Synthetic 5W-30 3.34 Shell Helix Plus S 5W-30 3.37 Shell Quaker State Peak Performance 5W-30 3.39 Fuchs Titan Supersyn Longlife 5W-30 3.4 Castrol SLX Professional LLIII Powerflow 5W-30 3.4 Fuchs Titan Supersyn F 5W-30 3.41 Shell Q High RPM 5W-30 3.42 Shell Q European Formulation Ultra Diesel 5W-30 3.43 Shell Pennzoil Platinum European Formulation Ultra Diesel 5W-30 3.43 ConocoPhilips Phillips66 TropArtic Synthetic Blend 5W-30 3.48 ConocoPhilips 76 Super Synthetic Blend 5W-30 3.48 ConocoPhilips Conoco Syncon All Season Synthetic Blend 5W-30 3.48 Shell Helix Ultra 5W-30 3.49 Shell Pennzoil Multigrade 5W-30 3.5 ConocoPhilips Phillips66 TropArtic Full Synthetic 5W-30 3.5 ConocoPhilips 76 High Performance Full Synthetic 5W-30 3.5 ConocoPhilips Conoco Syncon High Performance Synthetic 5W-30 3.5 Shell Q Advanced 5W-30 3.51 Shell Q Horsepower 5W-30 3.51 Mobil Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5W-30 3.55 ConocoPhilips 76 Super High Mileage Synthetic Blend 5W-30 3.6 ConocoPhilips Kendall GT-1 High Mileage Synthetic Blend 5W-30 3.6 Royal Purple Royal Purple 5W-30 3.66 Mobil Mobil 1 Truck & SUV 5W-30 3.66 Mobil Mobil 1 5W-30 3.66 ConocoPhilips Kendall GT-1 High Performance Synthetic Blend 5W-30 4.08 ** 5w40 ** Redline Synthetic 5W-40 3.28 Shell Q Horsepower 5W-40 3.56 Fuchs Titan Supersyn Plus (SL PD) 5W-40 3.59 ChevronTexaco Havoline Synthetic (2) 5W-40 3.63 Mobil Mobil 1 5W-40 3.64 meguin megol Super Leichtlauf 5W-40 3.7 Amsoil AFL European Car Formula 5W-40 3.7 ChevronTexaco Havoline Synthetic 5W-40 3.71 Shell Pennzoil Platinum European Formulation 5W-40 3.72 Shell Q European Formulation 5W-40 3.72 ConocoPhilips 76 Pure Synthetic 5W-40 3.76 ConocoPhilips Kendall GT-1 Full Synthetic 5W-40 3.76 Fuchs Titan Supersyn (SL) 5W-40 3.81 ChevronTexaco Havoline Ultra 5W-40 4 Shell Helix Plus S 5W-40 4 ** Others ** Amsoil SSO Signature Series 0W-30 3.22 ChevronTexaco Havoline Synthetic 0W-30 3.24 Fuchs Titan Supersyn (SL) 0W-30 3.4 Shell Helix Ultra 0W-40 3.7 Mobil Mobil 1 0W-40 3.78