saw some accell sa rated motor oil,and it said for engines older than 1931!
accell sa rated oil @ wallyworld...
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It is ludicrous that SA rated oil is still on the market. I think if I had a machine built before 1931 that ran I would be running something better than SA rated oil in it anyway. This is a conspiracy to make sludge.
SA rated 30 oil is still useful for lubricating things like chains on small electric chain saws/trimmers and air compressors, plus other types of machinery. It's just that it's totally useless in an internal combustion engine. But sadly people still use it for their vehicles. Maybe the bottles of SA oil should have a large orange warning label stating ..NOT FOR USE IN MOTOR VEHICLES...
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Whimsey
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I work right next to a dollar store, they sell SA quarts of oil with a picture of a late 90's camaro on it. I see people with cars belching smoke all the time dumping that crap into their motors in the parking lot.
I'd go a step further.
Do one of those "Ghostbusters" logos on the label for all SA oils, except put a car instead of a ghost in the logo.
I actually saw a local drug store with SA oils in 10W30 and 10W40. I was like... ok... does any machinery on earth call for SA 10W40?
Do one of those "Ghostbusters" logos on the label for all SA oils, except put a car instead of a ghost in the logo.
I actually saw a local drug store with SA oils in 10W30 and 10W40. I was like... ok... does any machinery on earth call for SA 10W40?
Yes, as Haley indicated, the problem is that SA non-detergent oils are packaged & labeled to appear as a low cost motor oil.
API SA & SB rated oils do have legitimate applications - I have bottle of both SB rated Mystic 10W and SAE 30 non-detergent oil on the garage shelf - as general purpose lubricants or in specific applications such as vintage automobiles & tractors.
But the average consumer does not know the difference, and most likely, neither does the retail outlet that is selling it.
Here's a Lube Reports Article - SA Oils that's worth a quick glance.
It has pictures of an SA oil run thru a GF-3 Sequence VG Sludge/Deposit test. The 216 hr test was halted at the 3/4 mark, 168 hrs, due to obvious problems with sludge.
The oil pick-up screen even started to plug with the gelatized sludge components.
No doubt this was a Grp I base oil, but it gives an appreciation of how important the detergent/dispersant adds are in a motor oil formulation!
API SA & SB rated oils do have legitimate applications - I have bottle of both SB rated Mystic 10W and SAE 30 non-detergent oil on the garage shelf - as general purpose lubricants or in specific applications such as vintage automobiles & tractors.
But the average consumer does not know the difference, and most likely, neither does the retail outlet that is selling it.
Here's a Lube Reports Article - SA Oils that's worth a quick glance.
It has pictures of an SA oil run thru a GF-3 Sequence VG Sludge/Deposit test. The 216 hr test was halted at the 3/4 mark, 168 hrs, due to obvious problems with sludge.
The oil pick-up screen even started to plug with the gelatized sludge components.
No doubt this was a Grp I base oil, but it gives an appreciation of how important the detergent/dispersant adds are in a motor oil formulation!
Good link Blue. I hope some action will eventually be taken. My neighbor ruined an expensive Garden Tractor several years ago running this stuff. All he knew was it was the right viscosity and said it was Motor Oil.
Sludged it up major big time.
This is a top seller at Convenience Stores. It's right next to the PZ and Castrol and people take it to be a Generic version of the same stuff. Some people tend to think it's like generic drugs, same effective product without a Brand name.
Definitely not in the best interest of the consumer.
Sludged it up major big time.
This is a top seller at Convenience Stores. It's right next to the PZ and Castrol and people take it to be a Generic version of the same stuff. Some people tend to think it's like generic drugs, same effective product without a Brand name.
Definitely not in the best interest of the consumer.
I have (at last count) 58 quarts of the stuff and use it all the time. . . . . in power steering pumps on tractors and in oil bath air cleaners. I have two stationary motors whose oil bath air cleaners uses one gallon each. Likewise, seven tractors with oil bath air cleaners that use one quart each. I change the oil in these cleaners every six months. Now naturally, any oil will do for these cleaners. But if I can use oil that cost me 59 cents a quart - that's money in my pocket
In addition, I have a Sears Craftsman air compressor. The label next to the oil fill hole says: "Use only 30 weight, non-detergent motor oil." (And the "non-detergent" part is written in red - as though - "Don't put regular motor oil in this thing or else." ) That compressor is so old I think Moses was the original owner.
And finally, my first truck was a '58 Chevy my uncle gave me. He told me to use only SA rated oil. This I did for a few years and all was well. I was changing the oil one day and Papa came out and said, "Here, use this stuff, it's better for it." (Dad had brought me some Valoline). The truck ran for one week - then died. That detergent oil had broken free all that goop and that was the end of "Ole Betsey."
Just my two cents worth
In addition, I have a Sears Craftsman air compressor. The label next to the oil fill hole says: "Use only 30 weight, non-detergent motor oil." (And the "non-detergent" part is written in red - as though - "Don't put regular motor oil in this thing or else." ) That compressor is so old I think Moses was the original owner.
And finally, my first truck was a '58 Chevy my uncle gave me. He told me to use only SA rated oil. This I did for a few years and all was well. I was changing the oil one day and Papa came out and said, "Here, use this stuff, it's better for it." (Dad had brought me some Valoline). The truck ran for one week - then died. That detergent oil had broken free all that goop and that was the end of "Ole Betsey."
Just my two cents worth
Oh, by the way - never mix a can of Milk Chocolate frosting with two bags of "Cool Ranch" Doritos - Wicked
Very interesting reading! I wasn't aware that SA and SB didn't have ANY additives at all! I wonder how many miles a Toyota Sienna with the infamous 3.0L V6 would last with a crankcase full of SA???
As for chocolate cool-ranch doritos, I only have one question...WHY???
As for chocolate cool-ranch doritos, I only have one question...WHY???
I saw both Accell and Chalet SB rated SAE30, 40, 10w-30 and 10w-40 at the dollar store today.
It was right next to some SJ Havoline Equilion oil and all 3 brands were $1.49 a qt.
Hopefully the real cheap people will recognize the Havoline as better stuff even if it's SJ than the non-detergent stuff
It was right next to some SJ Havoline Equilion oil and all 3 brands were $1.49 a qt.
Hopefully the real cheap people will recognize the Havoline as better stuff even if it's SJ than the non-detergent stuff
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Accell is blended by Warren, PDS amd MSDS can be seen here:
>http://www.wd-wpp.com/msds-products.htm<
>http://www.wd-wpp.com/msds-products.htm<
I'm fairly sure that as a kid in the late '80's, I put some ND "motor oil" in a couple of cars that I drove.
I was like most kids; I didn't care about oil. If the car started, that was all that mattered. Oh, well, those cars that I was driving in the late '80's deserved to die on ND oil.
I was like most kids; I didn't care about oil. If the car started, that was all that mattered. Oh, well, those cars that I was driving in the late '80's deserved to die on ND oil.
MolaKule
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Well apparently, these people have never analyzed ND SA and SB oils. Everyone I have tested had SL/SM levels of ZDDP Anti-wear additives with anti-foam and rust inhibitors. However, they contain very low levels of dispersants and detergents.
True, the problem is most of it I see is labelled "Motor Oil." That's all a lot of consumers look at. It says it's motor oil, so they figure it should be ok. They don't read the fine print and don't understand API ratings.quote:
Originally posted by Whimsey:
SA rated 30 oil is still useful for lubricating things like chains on small electric chain saws/trimmers and air compressors, plus other types of machinery. It's just that it's totally useless in an internal combustion engine. But sadly people still use it for their vehicles. Maybe the bottles of SA oil should have a large orange warning label stating ..NOT FOR USE IN MOTOR VEHICLES....
Whimsey
Funny you should mention that because when I was in Walmart one time I looked at a couple of the SA oils and they in fact said something to the effect "these oils should not be used in modern vehicles." It was in bold writing also. If people can't read the warning, it's their problem.quote:
Originally posted by Whimsey:
Maybe the bottles of SA oil should have a large orange warning label stating ..NOT FOR USE IN MOTOR VEHICLES....
Whimsey
That is good to know. I have NAPA 30 SB in the air compressor and was worried about foaming (splash lubed) and corrosion (humid climate). I went for the NAPA because SB should have at least some additives compared to SA, which I thought had none.
MolaKule
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Exactly!
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