A Syn Blend made exclusively for "Winter" use

[69 Riv GS]

I came across this product on the QS site, Winter Syn Blend Motor Oil. The specs look unusual:

cSt @ 40C 49.89
cSt @ 100C 10.5
VI 207

CCV -35C 3750
CCV -40C 15000
Low temp pumping vis -35C cP 8100
Low temp pumping vis -40C cP 15000
Product Data Sheet

So, my simple logic would infer that they're starting with a light base oil, possibly adding some PAO - and alot of VII.

I just wonder about HT/HS, and rate of shear?

 

[427Z06]

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Originally posted by 69 Riv GS:
I just wonder about HT/HS, and rate of shear?

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Unless they're using some extremely high quality VII, that oil looks like it would be a SHEAR MONSTER

It'd sure be interesting to see a UOA on it after a hard 5K miles.

Note the errors on the PDS:
Pour, °C(°F) -45(-35) -36(-30)

 

[Cyprs]

Canadian Tire, a Canadian Hardware store up here is selling this Q.S. winter blend for 4.99 per litre, one can buy 100% POA syn 0-30 XD3 Esso oil made by Mobil for 3.71 litre. Buyers beware.

Cyprs

 

[heyjay]

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Originally posted by Cyprs:
Canadian Tire, a Canadian Hardware store up here is selling this Q.S. winter blend for 4.99 per litre, one can buy 100% POA syn 0-30 XD3 Esso oil made by Mobil for 3.71 litre. Buyers beware.

Cyprs

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Oh, you mean that REALLY annoying Canadian Tire spot on TV where the guy with whiskers tells his neighbor he'd have much better luck starting his car on frigid mornings if he runs the QS WB?

BLEAH!

I bet it does shear like crazy too.

Much like how I went shopping for Michelin Harmony tires for my new Toyota Prius, and the local Canadian Tire store was almost $15/tire MORE than the Toyota dealer I bought the car from!

BTW: The Toyota dealer took the Goodyear Integrity tires on trade too, CT refused to trade. Much better buy on tires at my Toyota dealer than CT.

If you can't / won't run a full synthetic, the Esso XD-3 0W-30 PAO is hard to beat. Interesting note: my local CT is now carrying Mobil 1 0W-20 at $7.49 a litre.

 

[55Test]

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Originally posted by heyjay:

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Originally posted by Cyprs:
Canadian Tire, a Canadian Hardware store up here is selling this Q.S. winter blend for 4.99 per litre, one can buy 100% POA syn 0-30 XD3 Esso oil made by Mobil for 3.71 litre. Buyers beware.

Cyprs

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Oh, you mean that REALLY annoying Canadian Tire spot on TV where the guy with whiskers tells his neighbor he'd have much better luck starting his car on frigid mornings if he runs the QS WB?

BLEAH!

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Yes that ad is annoying, especially when my local CT has it playing on tv/vcr machines at the parts counter on a continuos (sp?) loop, that **** ad looping over and over..must drive those poor people behind the conter crazy! The local CT has GC for $6.99 a quart while other Syntec grades are $7.49 a quart.

 

[berge]

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Originally posted by heyjay:

If you can't / won't run a full synthetic, the Esso XD-3 0W-30 PAO is hard to beat.

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I thought the XD-3 0W30 & 0W40 are full synthetics.

 

[Cyprs]

Berge, XD3 0-40 & 0-30 are full 100% POA synthetic oil, made by Mobil, it is best oil money can buy for the price in my opinion. That is why I snear at that Crappy Tire commercial on that blended Q.S. oil for 4.99 litre. Wife will be glad when that crap commercial and my resulting snearing will be gone.

For $3.71 litre the Esso XD3 syn oil rocks, as I said in first post, BUYER BEWARE. Crappy Tire is preying on the gullable. Glad to see everyone else is as ****** off with Crappy Tire's Scam as I am, I will assure my wife I am not alone in that.

Cyprs

 

[Cyprs]

Forgot to mention, 0-50 or 5-50 (cant remember exact) Q.S. 100 % full synthetic is available at Walmart for $4.86 litre last time I looked, I would not buy that Q.S. over the XD3 syn but at least it is not a blended Q.S. product for more money at Crappy Tire. 0-30 XD3 100% syn has -60F flow rate with TBN of 12, tough to beat by any oil in my book.

Cyprs

 

[T-Keith]

They've had this stuff for a couple years now. For those looking for cold start help and not extended drains it might be a good idea. If it's that cold extended drains might not be a good idea anyway.

-T

 

[Patman]

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Originally posted by Cyprs:
Forgot to mention, 0-50 or 5-50 (cant remember exact)

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It's 5w50. I don't think it's even possible to build a 0w50 oil. I've never heard of it.

 

[Cyprs]

Yeah, I couldn't remember starting weight, I knew it was a full syn 50 top weighted oil, I would use this 5-50 Q.S. oil in winter over a blended winter Q.S. oil which costs more money at Crappy Tire. First choice ofcouse is XD3 full syn for over a dollar less per litre.

Cyprs

 

[heyjay]

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Originally posted by berge:

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Originally posted by heyjay:

If you can't / won't run a full synthetic, the Esso XD-3 0W-30 PAO is hard to beat.

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I thought the XD-3 0W30 & 0W40 are full synthetics.

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Sorry Berge I should have qualified my statement to state that most folks still don't believe XD-3 0W-30 or 0W-40 are "real" synthetics, especially at the price. If it isn't green and doesn't smell of Gummi Bears, it can't be real, right?

 

[berge]

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Originally posted by heyjay:

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Originally posted by berge:

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Originally posted by heyjay:

If you can't / won't run a full synthetic, the Esso XD-3 0W-30 PAO is hard to beat.

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I thought the XD-3 0W30 & 0W40 are full synthetics.

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Sorry Berge I should have qualified my statement to state that most folks still don't believe XD-3 0W-30 or 0W-40 are "real" synthetics, especially at the price. If it isn't green and doesn't smell of Gummi Bears, it can't be real, right?

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dont' forget the 'must have purchased at least two years worth of supply' requirement. this I don't get at all?

 

[Patman]

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dont' forget the 'must have purchased at least two years worth of supply' requirement. this I don't get at all?

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I do it because if this oil ever disappears on me, at least I've still got a two year supply. It has worked out very well for me and I'd be very disappointed if they changed the formula and it was not as good.

 

[berge]

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dont' forget the 'must have purchased at least two years worth of supply' requirement. this I don't get at all?

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I do it because if this oil ever disappears on me, at least I've still got a two year supply. It has worked out very well for me and I'd be very disappointed if they changed the formula and it was not as good.

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I appreciate that.
My point was that 'if something better/cheaper/etc. comes along' what happens to that stockpile.
I'm just saying I would not do that. That's all. Not whether it's right or wrong.
We're living in an accelerated technology age. Everything is drastically improved quickly with new models/technology. I would expect that to filter down to automotive engine oils too.

 

[pitzel]

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Originally posted by heyjay:
Sorry Berge I should have qualified my statement to state that most folks still don't believe XD-3 0W-30 or 0W-40 are "real" synthetics, especially at the price. If it isn't green and doesn't smell of Gummi Bears, it can't be real, right?

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Sarcasm, eh? Go price out polyalphaolefins (1-n-decene's) in bulk sometime and come back here, with a straight face and tell me that XD-3 is too cheap to be a "real" synthetic.

The fact is that synthetic oils cost a lot more on Wal-Mart's shelves is because of marketing, and customers will pay the premium because they perceive additional value in their use. Has absolutely nothing to do with profitability. Selling synthetic oil simply is a license to print money. Even Mobil is still making decent money selling quarts of Mobil1 at Pep Boys for $2/each.

 

[heyjay]

Sure I was being sarcastic, especially whenever I walk by the oil display aisle at Canadian Tire and they have that QS video on loop. I really am starting to dislike that guy with whiskers who peddles Canadian Tire crap. Did you catch the tv ad where he is showing off his new Canadian Tire air compressor to his buddies? Yeesh!

 

[TC]

In addition to winter use, Quaker State Winter Syn claims "Continues to lubricate effectively in warmer temperatures." QS Winter Syn 5w-30 claims a viscosity @ 100°C (212°F), cSt of 10.5, whereas Kendall GT-1 (unless Kendall's recently reformulated) claims only 10.1 for the same weight. For their 10w-30, QS Winter Syn claims a 100°C viscosity of 10.32, while Kendall GT-1 claims 10.1 and Citgo Supergard claims 10.2. It'd be nice to see the QS HTHS, but at least their 100°C numbers are in line with some "all season" lubes from other firms.

[ November 30, 2004, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: TC ]

 

[Reg# 43897]

Just checked locally at a bulk Esso dealer for XD-3 in 0W-30. It is available for about $2.50/litre for a flat of twelve litres. Forgot to ask about 0W-40 which would probably be better for my 1.8T. Pretty good value it appears. Delvac 1 in a four litre jug was thirty dollars or so.

By the way, anybody know where Auto-RX is available in this country (cost, too)?

John.

 

[berge]

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Originally posted by Reg# 43897:
Just checked locally at a bulk Esso dealer for XD-3 in 0W-30. It is available for about $2.50/litre for a flat of twelve litres.
John.

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1-what is 'flat of twelve liters'?
2-$2.50/L - this is Cdn.? Wow. I paid $3.70L Cdn. in toronto.