a plug for Amsoil filter plus Honda HG 5W-20

[4esorselrahc]

This seems to be a really good combination for my Odyssey. Since I changed the oil the OLM still says 90 % oil life after 1,302 miles. Assuming the oil degrades in a somewhat linear manner, that puts something like 13,000 miles until the oil life is 0% (granted I wouldn't drive it that far until the change, but that seems phenominal to me). Is this kind of life typical for oil in an Odyssey? I would like to think it has something to do with the superior filtering of the Amsoil filter.

What do you guys think?

 

[TimVipond]

I don't think the AMSOIL filter has anything to do with it. OLMs usually measure temps, starts, trip mileage, load, rpm, speed, idle time. I think the choice of oil could affect temperatures which might influence the OLM. You might try AMSOIL 5w20 next time and compare.

 

[Pablo]

As much as I love the plug. The Honda OLM has no way of actually sampling the oil. It's an algorithm, and it's not linear. You'll go until about 6K or so.

What oil filter # are you using? What year Ody?

 

[4esorselrahc]

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As much as I love the plug. The Honda OLM has no way of actually sampling the oil. It's an algorithm, and it's not linear. You'll go until about 6K or so.

What oil filter # are you using? What year Ody?

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Pablo,
It's a 2007 Ody. EaO13 filter. Yeah, I was speculating about the linearity of the OLM. Thanks for educating me. However, the oil really does appear to be very clean at 1300 miles. Still very clear and light brown. It is a bit darker than the original oil but not much.

Chuck

 

[Pablo]

How many miles on the 2007?

Our 2006 has 15000 miles and the oil stays fairly clean appearing - which doesn't mean a ton - but I'm still using a Honda filter (because I got some free with my trailer hitch). Next change I'm using a Ea013.

 

[4esorselrahc]

It has 5505 miles on it. The first change was done at 4203 miles (50% on the OLM). I collected some of the factory fill at the time thinking about getting it analyzed, but I haven't sent it in yet. It's sitting in a capped jar out in my shed. I'm leaning more towards getting it done by Dyson Labs. I requested a Blackstone kit, but I like the Dyson offering alot. It's just a little high price wise.

 

[Pablo]

No need for Dyson on the factory fill. If you want, this or next run will be more useful, IMHO.

 

[TimVipond]

Now that I've had my Friday night meal of Papa John's buffalo wings and pizza and settling in with some cheap wine, I'm pondering a bit more. Maybe the OLM measures oil pressure also. With the EaO filter there is supposed to be better flow and less differential pressure when compared to the OEM filter. And it should stay that way longer. Maybe the OLM will figure that since the filter is not restricting oil flow and pressure as much, it might feel the filter has more life and give you a longer mileage reading.

My 2006 Honda Civic Si V-tec 6 speed manual's OLM counted down to 0% at 6000 miles. I changed to AMSOIL's 5W30 and the EaO filter. I think I am near 9,000 miles now and need to check the OLM, but my 17 year old borrowed the car and is out having dinner with his friends at TGIF. (geez, times have changed. I always had to bum a ride with a friend in a beater car and were lucky to afford Shakey's pizza). I have also changed out the MTF to AMSOIL. I'll check mileage and OLM and report back later. The OLM might get more miles this time before hitting 0%.

Anybody know how the OLM monitors air filter change out time? Or the other maintenance items like MTF? Is it just mileage or other measurements?

 

[TimVipond]

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No need for Dyson on the factory fill. If you want, this or next run will be more useful, IMHO.

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Hmmm...I'd like to see it. Isn't Honda supposed to put in some special break in oil that is supposed to be run till the OLM ticks off to zero? Might be interesting to see what is in the original oil and how much wear it shows.

 

[Pablo]

There are some UOA's on Honda factory fill in the UOA section. I agree it's fun to see, but I've seen enough to be in the "yawnie" phase. There really isn't much to be gained. (Unless you got the 1 in 1,000,000 with leaky head gasket.....

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[4esorselrahc]

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There are some UOA's on Honda factory fill in the UOA section. I agree it's fun to see, but I've seen enough to be in the "yawnie" phase. There really isn't much to be gained. (Unless you got the 1 in 1,000,000 with leaky head gasket.....

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I tend to agree here having seen them. The consensus being the factory fill has higher moly. No leaky head gasket here.

I really like Honda engines, and the 3.5 L V6 is a real sweetie IMO.

I will probably get the second oil batch tested however just to get an idea of what it looks like. I plan to use the EaO for at least 2X OCI and maybe 3 (looking at 15,000 miles total).

 

[TeeDub]

TimViPond,

You should avoid that cheap, screwtop wine - it's killing all your brains cells...

The only OLM I know of that indirectly measures the condition of the oil is the one Mercedes has developed. This uses a sensor to measure the di-electric constant of the used oil, which changes as a function of oil contamination and/or solids loading. In this application using a superior filter - especially a bypass filter - would change the point at which the system is triggered.

TD

 

[TimVipond]

From http://www.hondanews.com/catID2013?mid=2005083041013&mime=asc

"Civic Si: Maintenance Minder System and Tune-Up Intervals
The Civic Si's engine tune-up schedule is calculated by the Maintenance Minder system. The Maintenance Minder system automatically indicates when to have standard service performed based on actual driving conditions (tracked by the ECU) and minimizes the guesswork related to whether the vehicle is being used in standard or severe use conditions for maintenance interval purposes. The display indicates when to change the oil, air cleaner, transmission fluid, spark plugs or coolant, as well as when to rotate the tires."
Anybody know how this works? Gotta run. Motorcycle buddies will be waiting at breakfast.

 

[4esorselrahc]

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From http://www.hondanews.com/catID2013?mid=2005083041013&mime=asc

"Civic Si: Maintenance Minder System and Tune-Up Intervals
The Civic Si's engine tune-up schedule is calculated by the Maintenance Minder system. The Maintenance Minder system automatically indicates when to have standard service performed based on actual driving conditions (tracked by the ECU) and minimizes the guesswork related to whether the vehicle is being used in standard or severe use conditions for maintenance interval purposes. The display indicates when to change the oil, air cleaner, transmission fluid, spark plugs or coolant, as well as when to rotate the tires."
Anybody know how this works? Gotta run. Motorcycle buddies will be waiting at breakfast.

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Boy it would be nice to know how the Honda OLM measures the oil. I've looked at the V6 with the black cover off, and there are numerous sensors, some very sophisticated looking, connected to the engine.

 

[The Critic]

Honda's OLM is very similar to GM's system. It merely goes by a predetermined computer algorithm that bases oil life on additive depletion, with modifiers such as oil temperature, soak times, rpms, etc negatively or positively affecting the oil life. However, Honda's system maxes out at 10,000 miles under ideal conditions and allows filter changes at every other service. GM's system maxes out at 12500 mi under ideal conditions but requires a filter change at every service.

The other maintenance items are calculated based upon the mileage. Based upon the exact service interval for the oil, the other maintenance items are either delayed or moved ahead. There are no additional "sensors" that determine the exact service interval for other items, except for going by mileage or "cycles" of oil life. However, the new 8th generation Civic is the first Honda model to have an actual ATF life monitor, so the fluid changes for that transmission are determined by a much more accurate system. This isn't the case with other Honda models.