Originally Posted by neo3
Originally Posted by Patman
Originally Posted by Patman
wemay said:
5W30 Synthetic Oils With HTHS of 3.5 ?
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Current MST is Dexos2, but what you are referring to is not.
Originally Posted by ChrisD46
Thanks for the replies - my 2.4L Hyundai GDI engine can't use a 0W40 under warrantee , so need to stay with a 30W oil on the thicker side for max boundary layer protection for *potential rod bearing issues .
*To date since 2012 issues began , Hyundai has replaced 168,000 2.4L GDI engines crippled by the evil knock and subsequent rod bearing failures . Hyundai believes they have incrementally addressed the issue each year since and 2.4L GDI engines after 2015 "should" be ok - but I'm not taking any chances if I can help it (while Hyundai will replace any blown engine with rod bearing failure under warrantee - it will be just my luck I'll be in a remote area when it happens thus as thick a 5W30 synthetic oil I can find for preventative measures rod bearing failures plus no more than a 5K OCI .)
I'd go away from Redline and other super stout oils. I'd steer away from high calcium, even though it isn't turbo you still can experience lspi with that engine. Look at the best sn+ oil that has the highest hths. If someone says Amsoil has 3.3 then that is close, plus built sn+ friendly, plus super high moly that can hep with knock and is an lspi quencher. GL
Thanks for the replies - my 2.4L Hyundai GDI engine can't use a 0W40 under warrantee , so need to stay with a 30W oil on the thicker side for max boundary layer protection for *potential rod bearing issues .
*To date since 2012 issues began , Hyundai has replaced 168,000 2.4L GDI engines crippled by the evil knock and subsequent rod bearing failures . Hyundai believes they have incrementally addressed the issue each year since and 2.4L GDI engines after 2015 "should" be ok - but I'm not taking any chances if I can help it (while Hyundai will replace any blown engine with rod bearing failure under warrantee - it will be just my luck I'll be in a remote area when it happens thus as thick a 5W30 synthetic oil I can find for preventative measures rod bearing failures plus no more than a 5K OCI .)
I'd go away from Redline and other super stout oils. I'd steer away from high calcium, even though it isn't turbo you still can experience lspi with that engine. Look at the best sn+ oil that has the highest hths. If someone says Amsoil has 3.3 then that is close, plus built sn+ friendly, plus super high moly that can hep with knock and is an lspi quencher. GL
The SS isn't as high as the XL which is at 3.3.
Unfortunately, ACEA and Euro oils have fallen behind LSPI protection and SN PLUS. As a result, no ACEA/Euro oil currently has SN PLUS, excluding the ILSAC (thin) oils that are also ACEA-certified.
Chevron Delo XSP has SN PLUS. HTHSV = 3.5 cP and 4.2 cP for 5W-30 and 5W-40, respectively. Decent ZDDP and TBN, too. XSP 5W-40 is easy to get.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493724&docFormat=PDF
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493727&docFormat=PDF
Chevron Delo XSP has SN PLUS. HTHSV = 3.5 cP and 4.2 cP for 5W-30 and 5W-40, respectively. Decent ZDDP and TBN, too. XSP 5W-40 is easy to get.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493724&docFormat=PDF
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493727&docFormat=PDF
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Unfortunately, ACEA and Euro oils have fallen behind LSPI protection and SN PLUS. As a result, no ACEA/Euro oil currently has SN PLUS, excluding the ILSAC (thin) oils that are also ACEA-certified.
Chevron Delo XSP has SN PLUS. HTHSV = 3.5 cP and 4.2 cP for 5W-30 and 5W-40, respectively. Decent ZDDP and TBN, too. XSP 5W-40 is easy to get.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493724&docFormat=PDF
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493727&docFormat=PDF
Disagree. Euro cars have had DI for over a decade now without any bandaid-fix (SN+) oil. To this day, no euro OEM specs SN+ oil and they are ALL DI engines. I think they know a thing or two.
Unfortunately, ACEA and Euro oils have fallen behind LSPI protection and SN PLUS. As a result, no ACEA/Euro oil currently has SN PLUS, excluding the ILSAC (thin) oils that are also ACEA-certified.
Chevron Delo XSP has SN PLUS. HTHSV = 3.5 cP and 4.2 cP for 5W-30 and 5W-40, respectively. Decent ZDDP and TBN, too. XSP 5W-40 is easy to get.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493724&docFormat=PDF
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493727&docFormat=PDF
Disagree. Euro cars have had DI for over a decade now without any bandaid-fix (SN+) oil. To this day, no euro OEM specs SN+ oil and they are ALL DI engines. I think they know a thing or two.
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Originally Posted by neo3
Originally Posted by Patman
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Originally Posted by Patman
wemay said:
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Unfortunately, ACEA and Euro oils have fallen behind LSPI protection and SN PLUS. As a result, no ACEA/Euro oil currently has SN PLUS, excluding the ILSAC (thin) oils that are also ACEA-certified.
Chevron Delo XSP has SN PLUS. HTHSV = 3.5 cP and 4.2 cP for 5W-30 and 5W-40, respectively. Decent ZDDP and TBN, too. XSP 5W-40 is easy to get.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493724&docFormat=PDF
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493727&docFormat=PDF
Disagree. Euro cars have had DI for over a decade now without any bandaid-fix (SN+) oil. To this day, no euro OEM specs SN+ oil and they are ALL DI engines. I think they know a thing or two.
That's all talk, what is the calcium level? That ends the discussion, either the calcium is lower or the same as the sn+, or it isn't. Educate us.
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Unfortunately, ACEA and Euro oils have fallen behind LSPI protection and SN PLUS. As a result, no ACEA/Euro oil currently has SN PLUS, excluding the ILSAC (thin) oils that are also ACEA-certified.
Chevron Delo XSP has SN PLUS. HTHSV = 3.5 cP and 4.2 cP for 5W-30 and 5W-40, respectively. Decent ZDDP and TBN, too. XSP 5W-40 is easy to get.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493724&docFormat=PDF
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493727&docFormat=PDF
Disagree. Euro cars have had DI for over a decade now without any bandaid-fix (SN+) oil. To this day, no euro OEM specs SN+ oil and they are ALL DI engines. I think they know a thing or two.
That's all talk, what is the calcium level? That ends the discussion, either the calcium is lower or the same as the sn+, or it isn't. Educate us.
They have had this issue running gf-5 oils and yet they still ran gf-5 sn oils for a long time before the simple fix of lowering calcium. It is hardly a bandaid to remove the culprit. It is a mid point to gf-6 yes, but it isn't a mid point to lspi, it solves it. It is a mid point to the other goals such as timing chain wear.
If someone is recommending a high calcium oil for any di application, it is just bad advice that can end ruining an engine. At least sn+ you know the calcium is at a minimum.
If someone is recommending a high calcium oil for any di application, it is just bad advice that can end ruining an engine. At least sn+ you know the calcium is at a minimum.
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Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Unfortunately, ACEA and Euro oils have fallen behind LSPI protection and SN PLUS. As a result, no ACEA/Euro oil currently has SN PLUS, excluding the ILSAC (thin) oils that are also ACEA-certified.
Chevron Delo XSP has SN PLUS. HTHSV = 3.5 cP and 4.2 cP for 5W-30 and 5W-40, respectively. Decent ZDDP and TBN, too. XSP 5W-40 is easy to get.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493724&docFormat=PDF
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493727&docFormat=PDF
Disagree. Euro cars have had DI for over a decade now without any bandaid-fix (SN+) oil. To this day, no euro OEM specs SN+ oil and they are ALL DI engines. I think they know a thing or two.
IJZ_E46:
Thanks for this informative Info sir
Learned something new
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Unfortunately, ACEA and Euro oils have fallen behind LSPI protection and SN PLUS. As a result, no ACEA/Euro oil currently has SN PLUS, excluding the ILSAC (thin) oils that are also ACEA-certified.
Chevron Delo XSP has SN PLUS. HTHSV = 3.5 cP and 4.2 cP for 5W-30 and 5W-40, respectively. Decent ZDDP and TBN, too. XSP 5W-40 is easy to get.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493724&docFormat=PDF
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493727&docFormat=PDF
Disagree. Euro cars have had DI for over a decade now without any bandaid-fix (SN+) oil. To this day, no euro OEM specs SN+ oil and they are ALL DI engines. I think they know a thing or two.
IJZ_E46:
Thanks for this informative Info sir
Learned something new
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Originally Posted by burla
They have had this issue running gf-5 oils and yet they still ran gf-5 sn oils for a long time before the simple fix of lowering calcium. It is hardly a bandaid to remove the culprit. It is a mid point to gf-6 yes, but it isn't a mid point to lspi, it solves it. It is a mid point to the other goals such as timing chain wear.
If someone is recommending a high calcium oil for any di application, it is just bad advice that can end ruining an engine. At least sn+ you know the calcium is at a minimum.
So VAG, BMW, MB are offering "bad advice" when spec'ing oils got their DI engines? And have been for a decade?
Every Euro OEM approval I've seen, even the modern ones, are a calcium based detergent package (no Mg).
For example, VAG's new 508 spec: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...ro-oe-lliv-fe-0w20-for-vw508#Post4876875
They have had this issue running gf-5 oils and yet they still ran gf-5 sn oils for a long time before the simple fix of lowering calcium. It is hardly a bandaid to remove the culprit. It is a mid point to gf-6 yes, but it isn't a mid point to lspi, it solves it. It is a mid point to the other goals such as timing chain wear.
If someone is recommending a high calcium oil for any di application, it is just bad advice that can end ruining an engine. At least sn+ you know the calcium is at a minimum.
So VAG, BMW, MB are offering "bad advice" when spec'ing oils got their DI engines? And have been for a decade?
Every Euro OEM approval I've seen, even the modern ones, are a calcium based detergent package (no Mg).
For example, VAG's new 508 spec: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...ro-oe-lliv-fe-0w20-for-vw508#Post4876875
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Originally Posted by 53' Stude
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Unfortunately, ACEA and Euro oils have fallen behind LSPI protection and SN PLUS. As a result, no ACEA/Euro oil currently has SN PLUS, excluding the ILSAC (thin) oils that are also ACEA-certified.
Chevron Delo XSP has SN PLUS. HTHSV = 3.5 cP and 4.2 cP for 5W-30 and 5W-40, respectively. Decent ZDDP and TBN, too. XSP 5W-40 is easy to get.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493724&docFormat=PDF
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493727&docFormat=PDF
Disagree. Euro cars have had DI for over a decade now without any bandaid-fix (SN+) oil. To this day, no euro OEM specs SN+ oil and they are ALL DI engines. I think they know a thing or two.
IJZ_E46:
Thanks for this informative Info sir
Learned something new
Nope, not true. They have never had LSPI protection despite some European cars having GDI. ACEA admits that they have failed to include LSPI protection and they are currently working hard on it to catch up with ILSAC.
https://www.infineuminsight.com/articles/specification-updates/acea-sequences-revisions-underway/
In fact, Euro oils are the worst when it comes to LSPI induction since LSPI is caused by high calcium and virtually all Euro oils have high calcium.
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Unfortunately, ACEA and Euro oils have fallen behind LSPI protection and SN PLUS. As a result, no ACEA/Euro oil currently has SN PLUS, excluding the ILSAC (thin) oils that are also ACEA-certified.
Chevron Delo XSP has SN PLUS. HTHSV = 3.5 cP and 4.2 cP for 5W-30 and 5W-40, respectively. Decent ZDDP and TBN, too. XSP 5W-40 is easy to get.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493724&docFormat=PDF
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=493727&docFormat=PDF
Disagree. Euro cars have had DI for over a decade now without any bandaid-fix (SN+) oil. To this day, no euro OEM specs SN+ oil and they are ALL DI engines. I think they know a thing or two.
IJZ_E46:
Thanks for this informative Info sir
Learned something new
Nope, not true. They have never had LSPI protection despite some European cars having GDI. ACEA admits that they have failed to include LSPI protection and they are currently working hard on it to catch up with ILSAC.
https://www.infineuminsight.com/articles/specification-updates/acea-sequences-revisions-underway/
In fact, Euro oils are the worst when it comes to LSPI induction since LSPI is caused by high calcium and virtually all Euro oils have high calcium.
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted by burla
They have had this issue running gf-5 oils and yet they still ran gf-5 sn oils for a long time before the simple fix of lowering calcium. It is hardly a bandaid to remove the culprit. It is a mid point to gf-6 yes, but it isn't a mid point to lspi, it solves it. It is a mid point to the other goals such as timing chain wear.
If someone is recommending a high calcium oil for any di application, it is just bad advice that can end ruining an engine. At least sn+ you know the calcium is at a minimum.
So VAG, BMW, MB are offering "bad advice" when spec'ing oils got their DI engines? And have been for a decade?
Very bad advise for long term use of any di engine to have high calcium. But, what real motivation do they have to have cars last 300k past warranty? It is up to the owner to research and protect their engines.
Originally Posted by burla
They have had this issue running gf-5 oils and yet they still ran gf-5 sn oils for a long time before the simple fix of lowering calcium. It is hardly a bandaid to remove the culprit. It is a mid point to gf-6 yes, but it isn't a mid point to lspi, it solves it. It is a mid point to the other goals such as timing chain wear.
If someone is recommending a high calcium oil for any di application, it is just bad advice that can end ruining an engine. At least sn+ you know the calcium is at a minimum.
So VAG, BMW, MB are offering "bad advice" when spec'ing oils got their DI engines? And have been for a decade?
Very bad advise for long term use of any di engine to have high calcium. But, what real motivation do they have to have cars last 300k past warranty? It is up to the owner to research and protect their engines.
Burla,
Not every vehicle that has D.I. that uses a high calcium oil automatically has LSPI. There are specific conditions that create the issue when a high calcium oil is present. It's possible that the German makes aren't encountering these issues because they aren't creating the conditions necessary for it to happen.
That said there were lots of vehicles out there not suffering from LSPI before the oil formulations were changed.
Is it a good change to safeguard against it? Sure, but was it happening everywhere all the time? Not a chance.
Not every vehicle that has D.I. that uses a high calcium oil automatically has LSPI. There are specific conditions that create the issue when a high calcium oil is present. It's possible that the German makes aren't encountering these issues because they aren't creating the conditions necessary for it to happen.
That said there were lots of vehicles out there not suffering from LSPI before the oil formulations were changed.
Is it a good change to safeguard against it? Sure, but was it happening everywhere all the time? Not a chance.
Fella, you do understand the main entire reason we are moving to gf-6 is this one issue yes? That is how important it is. The are one sizing fits all with low calcium because about 50% of engines can develop super knock with high calcium levels. There is nobody denying this, auto manu's, gov't, oil companies, everyone is on board. This is the oil issue of this decade. Fuel economy as well, but that has been since last decade. This decade it is lspi. Even Boutique oils such as Amsoil went completely away from what made them famous to run low calcium oil. So yes any other point of view on this issue is bad advice.
I never said it wasn't important but it's not like every D.I. engine was automatically having LSPI issues.
It takes the right conditions combined with the calcium in the oil to make it happen.
It's a good thing they have reduced the calcium to safeguard against when conditions exist but as long as those conditions don't exist then the calcium has no effect on the engine until then.
It takes the right conditions combined with the calcium in the oil to make it happen.
It's a good thing they have reduced the calcium to safeguard against when conditions exist but as long as those conditions don't exist then the calcium has no effect on the engine until then.
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*Thanks - WM has the PP Euro L 5W30 for $23.00 - I'll give it a try in my '17 Sonata 2.4L GDI !
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
There are many.
Pennzoil
Motul
Liqui moly
Castrol
Mobil 1
Valvoline
Ravenol
Total
Look for ACEA A3, B3, B4, or C3.
Cheapest, and I'd argue one of the best (GTL based + Manufacturer approvals), is PP Euro L.
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
There are many.
Pennzoil
Motul
Liqui moly
Castrol
Mobil 1
Valvoline
Ravenol
Total
Look for ACEA A3, B3, B4, or C3.
Cheapest, and I'd argue one of the best (GTL based + Manufacturer approvals), is PP Euro L.
OP here : I have a Hyundai Sonata with a 2.4L GDI (non - turbo) normally aspirated engine so LSPI issues are not much of a concern for me . Now if I had a Hyundai 2.0L turbo GDI engine I would pay attention to calcium content in oil - but doesn't much matter for my 2.4L GDI (again , non - turbo) .
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I have two new non turbo DI engines made by GM … the new design heads (shape + DI) and pistons gives me more power … power goes to rods …
So they will get Dexos 1G2 … kinda doubt that's a high calcium Rx … I follow that, not bubba sez …
I have two new non turbo DI engines made by GM … the new design heads (shape + DI) and pistons gives me more power … power goes to rods …
So they will get Dexos 1G2 … kinda doubt that's a high calcium Rx … I follow that, not bubba sez …
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