5w-20 QSUD; 8k miles; 09 Honda Fit; high Al

[Pajamarama]

Just got my 2nd UOA report from Blackstone. Unfortunately, the Al went up. Not sure what exactly is going on.

Notes:
- It was cut off on the report but I used 5w-20
- After my 1st UOA showed relatively high Si, I replaced my K&N filter with a Fram paper filter. Didn't seem to make much of a difference.
- Last oil change I mistakenly used a PL14459 (size for the Accord) instead of the PL14610 (size for the Fit). Would that make any difference? Earlier comments here said no.
- I didn't add any make-up oil but maybe I should have. When I changed my oil, it was about 1 qt low (out of a roughly 4 qt sump).
- Your thoughts and suggestions are welcome, esp about the high Al

 

[chubbs1]

You are having quite a jump in Al so I would follow B-S recommendations on this one and cut back 7k or so and use a different brand of oil. Try a 5w30. Pick your choice of oil. I would try Mobil Super 5k. Or you could stick with syn if you want. Try the 5w30 over the summer and see. I think you will be fine.

 

[Pajamarama]

Originally Posted By: chubbs1
You are having quite a jump in Al so I would follow B-S recommendations on this one and cut back 7k or so and use a different brand of oil. Try a 5w30. Pick your choice of oil. I would try Mobil Super 5k. Or you could stick with syn if you want. Try the 5w30 over the summer and see. I think you will be fine.


I already changed it out to the same stuff (QSUD 5w-20) a week or so ago. I'm not thrilled about changing it out again but I guess I can if I need to. I definitely plan on running a shorter OCI this time (6k-7k)

 

[chevys10]

Just a laymen comment but seems like a lot of oil lost in such a new vehicle. Has it always lost oil or just this time?

 

[Pajamarama]

Originally Posted By: chevys10
Just a laymen comment but seems like a lot of oil lost in such a new vehicle. Has it always lost oil or just this time?


No actually, it hasn't. There's a good chance I may have underfilled it a bit during the last oil change, but not by this much.

 

[addyguy]

Wait until the level goes down, and top-off with a thicker oil, maybe even a 20W-50, to get it up to a 30-weight.

When my Tribute was using some VWB 5W-20 last summer, I topped off with VWB 20W-50 to thicken the oil.

 

[147_Grain]

That little engine is worked hard and I suspect that a more robust 5W-30 will help your situation in the Georgia heat this summer - protecting the pistons better too (high aluminum). Less burn-off too.

 

[Pajamarama]

I will do top-offs with 5w-30 and see how it goes at 7k.

Also, I calculated that 23 ppm in a 4.2 liter oil capacity engIne turns out to be less than 1/10th of a ml of Al. I am a little less worried now.

 

[bubbajoe_2112]

Again, proof that the use of a K&N does not contribute to Si. Thanks for that info...

The Al is a bit disturbing.. piston skirt wear?? I'd try a 3500-4000 OCI for the next run and check Al again.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: bubbajoe_2112
Again, proof that the use of a K&N does not contribute to Si. Thanks for that info...

The Al is a bit disturbing.. piston skirt wear?? I'd try a 3500-4000 OCI for the next run and check Al again.


How can you come to this conclusion with a single UOA of evidence? Sorry Sparky but many studies contradict this statement.

 

[bubbajoe_2112]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: bubbajoe_2112
Again, proof that the use of a K&N does not contribute to Si. Thanks for that info...

The Al is a bit disturbing.. piston skirt wear?? I'd try a 3500-4000 OCI for the next run and check Al again.


How can you come to this conclusion with a single UOA of evidence? Sorry Sparky but many studies contradict this statement.


I have multiple UOA's with extended OCI's and they show lower Si levels than universal averages. Couple that with the fact that I live on a dirt road...proof enough for me.

And would love to see your links for the "many studies that contradict this"...

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: bubbajoe_2112
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: bubbajoe_2112
Again, proof that the use of a K&N does not contribute to Si. Thanks for that info...

The Al is a bit disturbing.. piston skirt wear?? I'd try a 3500-4000 OCI for the next run and check Al again.


How can you come to this conclusion with a single UOA of evidence? Sorry Sparky but many studies contradict this statement.


I have multiple UOA's with extended OCI's and they show lower Si levels than universal averages. Couple that with the fact that I live on a dirt road...proof enough for me.


And would love to see your links for the "many studies that contradict this"...

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2352928&page=1
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2244133
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-73827.html
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31328
http://i.imgur.com/kWtd0.png
http://www.jeffgoji.org/oilchangescreen.jpg
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/%7Ejsm8/sti_oil_27000.jpg
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm
http://www.gmtruckcentral.com/articles/air-filter-study.html
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/3-power...-they-work.html

Do you want more example's?

 

[bubbajoe_2112]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: bubbajoe_2112
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: bubbajoe_2112
Again, proof that the use of a K&N does not contribute to Si. Thanks for that info...

The Al is a bit disturbing.. piston skirt wear?? I'd try a 3500-4000 OCI for the next run and check Al again.


How can you come to this conclusion with a single UOA of evidence? Sorry Sparky but many studies contradict this statement.


I have multiple UOA's with extended OCI's and they show lower Si levels than universal averages. Couple that with the fact that I live on a dirt road...proof enough for me.


And would love to see your links for the "many studies that contradict this"...

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2352928&page=1
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2244133
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-73827.html
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31328
http://i.imgur.com/kWtd0.png
http://www.jeffgoji.org/oilchangescreen.jpg
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/%7Ejsm8/sti_oil_27000.jpg
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm
http://www.gmtruckcentral.com/articles/air-filter-study.html
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/3-power...-they-work.html

Do you want more example's?


Nice try. Still waiting for a link to a true controlled ISO study/test. Don't waste any more of your time, because you won't find one.

 

[Swarmlord]

Originally Posted By: bubbajoe_2112
Nice try. Still waiting for a link to a true controlled ISO study/test. Don't waste any more of your time, because you won't find one.


When you understand why you dismiss other people's evidence you will then understand why others dismiss yours...

 

[dave1251]

I am still waiting for you to present your findings.

But I got the feeling you are unwilling to admit that you could be wrong. If you are unwilling to learn and/or submit studies/data, I wish you the best of luck but you will not gain a lot from this site.

 

[bubbajoe_2112]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
I am still waiting for you to present your findings...


You mean my UOA's? They are posted in the UOA section. Search and you will find them all on one sheet.

If you mean controlled studies, as I have already said, there are none, zero, zilch...

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: bubbajoe_2112
Originally Posted By: dave1251
I am still waiting for you to present your findings...


You mean my UOA's? They are posted in the UOA section. Search and you will find them all on one sheet.

If you mean controlled studies, as I have already said, there are none, zero, zilch...


It is obvious that either you did not or chose not read the links I submitted because there was a few studies included by individual's with no apparent reason to submit their information other than to present the data which was collected.

I presented the data that I could collect in a few minutes yet all you can do is say your supporting data is there. The question is where?

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: bubbajoe_2112
You mean my UOA's? They are posted in the UOA section. Search and you will find them all on one sheet.

Of the 167 posts that you have made, only 2 of them are original posts - this one and this one; the remainder are replies to other posts. The second one has "M1 0W40, 10.8K miles, elevated Fe and Cu" for a title, but has a linked image that is no longer available. If this is the UOA post that indicates the silicon levels to which you refer and for information purposes, can you repost the UOA again?

 

[bubbajoe_2112]

Oops, sorry. I reposted a good link at the end of my UOA thread. If you want to continue to debate, do it over there. Let's not muck this guy's thread up any more!!

 

[tiger862]

It is the qsud. Don't know why but I ran it for 10 months and little over 4k and lost a quart. Never happened before or since. I have ran anything on sale which is synthetic and conventional and never lost any before. I am running Quaker State green bottle right now and it is starting to get noisy at cold start and this I notice when it is time for an oil change or at least I change oil and noise goes away. Weird thing is I lost 2 miles to the gallon on fuel with QSUD and since change it is back. I only have 2K on this oil change and 4 months so I will go another 1k before I change it and will notice level then since it will be close to 7 months. Level is still full as of last fill up 2 weeks ago. Not scientific but observations. I have an ecotec 2.2 with 104k.