-54C Pour Point and high PAO content

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Is a pour point of -54C a fingerprint for high PAO content? Please post links or reprints of MSD-sheets from the past if anyone has access to them. I want to see how many older/ current synthetics had -54C as a pour point. Then I'd just like to have a civilized discussion about it. That's all. I know GC is still at -54C and everyone claims it is a high PAO based oil. I believe a lot of the older Mobil 1 oils were also -54C but I can't find any MSDS from the past. Let me clarify: - I mean exactly -54C. Not -53, -65, -48 etc. - "lower" being a larger negative number so that -75C is lower than -54C. Higher obviously the opposite. - Not interested at all in how pour point depressants can lower pour points beyond -54C. That is another conversation.
 
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Speaking from experience... I ran Mobil from when my SUV was new until about 80K KM in the frigid winters up here and I never had lifter ticking or any cold-start problems that I have had with other synthetics. I know my engine is picky, but that should speak well for this oil. It's excellent for cold weather application IMO, and has to have a good amount of PAO to achieve this I would think!
 
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i was a little nervous at first when the cold set in but oil pressure was always right there and not much ticking at start up,very very little then gone.
 
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 Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Is a pour point of -54C a fingerprint for high PAO content? Please post links or reprints of MSD-sheets from the past if anyone has access to them. I want to see how many older/ current synthetics had -54C as a pour point. Then I'd just like to have a civilized discussion about it. That's all. I know GC is still at -54C and everyone claims it is a high PAO based oil. I believe a lot of the older Mobil 1 oils were also -54C but I can't find any MSDS from the past. Let me clarify: - I mean exactly -54C. Not -53, -65, -48 etc. - "lower" being a larger negative number so that -75C is lower than -54C. Higher obviously the opposite. - Not interested at all in how pour point depressants can lower pour points beyond -54C. That is another conversation.
I've been running current fill viscosity since 2006. PDS from that time indicate -54C pour point. Current PDS doesn't list that parameter but AFAICT, formulation hasn't changed; only packaging and marketing strategy has changed for that product. Exxon-Mobil Corporation wrote in 2006:
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Mobil 1 0W-30 Search Find an MSDS Mobil 1 0W-30 Pdf Advanced high performance synthetic engine oil Print View Product DescriptionFeatures and BenefitsApplicationsSpecifications and ApprovalsTypical PropertiesHealth and Safety Product Description Mobil 1 0W-30 is an advanced high performance synthetic engine oil designed to provide outstanding wear protection and enhanced fuel economy performance. Mobil 1 0W-30 exceeds the requirements of the latest industry standards required by newer modern gasoline and certain diesel powered automobile engines. Mobil 1 technology is race proven and is the choice of race car drivers around the world. Mobil 1 0W-30 is perfect for all types of driving anywhere in the world and has the performance to protect where conventional engine oils do not. Features and Benefits Mobil 1 0W-30 is made with a proprietary blend of ultra high performance synthetic basestocks fortified with Supersyn Antiwear Technology, the most advanced additive system available today. Mobil 1 0W-30, enhanced fuel economy formula, is uniquely designed to provide unsurpassed levels of protection, especially at start-up in the coldest environments for reduced engine wear. The oil meets all of the industry standards for fuel economy, helping to save fuel and reducing CO2 exhaust emissions. Key features and benefits include: Features Advantages and Potential Benefits Active cleaning agents Prevents deposits and sludge build-up to enable long and clean engine life Outstanding thermal and oxidation stability Reduces oil ageing allowing extended drain interval protection Enhanced frictional properties Greater fuel economy Excellent low temperature capabilities Quick cold weather starting and fast protection Extended engine and electrical system life High Viscosity Index and Supersyn Antiwear Technology Excellent overall lubrication and wear protection performance for all driving styles and conditions Applications Mobil 1 0W-30 is recommended for all types of modern vehicles, including high-performance turbo-charged, supercharged gasoline and diesel multi-valve fuel injected engines found in passenger cars, SUVs, light vans and trucks. Mobil 1 0W-30 is especially suitable for extreme conditions, where conventional oil often cannot perform. Mobil 1 is not recommended for 2-Cycle or aviation engines, unless specifically approved by the manufacturer. Back to Top Specifications and Approvals Mobil 1 0W-30 meets or exceeds the following industry specifications ACEAA1,B1 APISM,SL,SJ,EC,CF ILSACGF4 Ford WWSM2C929-A General MotorsGM 4718M,GM6094M ChryslerMS 6395 Typical Properties Mobil 1 0W-30 SAE Grade0W-30 Viscosity, ASTM D 445 cSt @ 40ºC 63.1 cSt @ 100ºC 11.0 Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 169 Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 10 HTHS Viscosity, mPa·s @ 150ºC ASTM D 4683 2.99 Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -54 Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 228 Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.845 Back to Top Health and Safety Based on available information, this product is not expected to produce adverse effects on health when used for the intended application and the recommendations provided in the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) are followed. MSDS's are available upon request through your sales contract office, or via the Internet. This product should not be used for purposes other than its intended use. If disposing of used product, take care to protect the environment. The Mobil logotype, the Pegasus design and Mobil 1 with Supersyn are trademarks of Exxon Mobil Corporation, or one of its subsidiaries. Exxon Mobil Corporation 3225 Gallows Road Fairfax, VA 22037 1-800-Mobil25 (662-4525) Due to continual product research and development, the information contained herein is subject to change without notification. Typical Properties may vary slightly. This product data sheet is based on global product data sheets for use with products purchased in the U.S. © 2001 Exxon Mobil Corporation. All rights reserved. ExxonMobil Home | Help | Sitemap | Contact Us | Privacy & Legal
 
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 Originally Posted By: Iain
I've been running current fill viscosity since 2006.
how's your 030 been doing? i have very little usage and great resualts from using it a year now.
 
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 Originally Posted By: daman
 Originally Posted By: Iain
I've been running current fill viscosity since 2006.
how's your 030 been doing? i have very little usage and great resualts from using it a year now.
It's doing great. I will not use any other oil in this car as it's HT/HS rating is slightly higher that that of Mobil 1 5W-20 but not as high as their 5W-30. I was always nervous about that rating in 5W-20; 5W-30 was too thick as engine is rated for 5W-20 (2001 Ford 3.0L DOHC V-6). Great oil. \:\!
 
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 Originally Posted By: Iain
 Originally Posted By: daman
 Originally Posted By: Iain
I've been running current fill viscosity since 2006.
how's your 030 been doing? i have very little usage and great resualts from using it a year now.
It's doing great. I will not use any other oil in this car as it's HT/HS rating is slightly higher that that of Mobil 1 5W-20 but not as high as their 5W-30. Great oil. \:\!
I hear that.
 
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 Originally Posted By: daman
 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
yup that why i had no issues running it through my MI winter this year.
I'm a fan of M1 HM 10w30 - but not in the winter months. Put a qt in your freezer over nite - it'll flow like honey (~ -10degF) - couldn't make it splash around in the qt bottle. I've also put M1 0w20 and PP 5w20 in the freezer over nite - stuff practically sounds like ice tea splashing in that qt.
 
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 Originally Posted By: ericthepig
 Originally Posted By: daman
 Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
yup that why i had no issues running it through my MI winter this year.
I'm a fan of M1 HM 10w30 - but not in the winter months. Put a qt in your freezer over nite - it'll flow like honey (~ -10degF) - couldn't make it splash around in the qt bottle. I've also put M1 0w20 and PP 5w20 in the freezer over nite - stuff practically sounds like ice tea splashing in that qt.
Yea like i said was a little nervous at first,i had no problems with it but i do think this winter 0w30 will be in the pan.
 
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As someone who has run PP in the winter and cooler months, it's good but not as good as regular Mobil-1. I had lifter ticking for 5 minutes after starting my engine at -10oC with PP whereas I never had that with M1 even at -30oC
 
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 Originally Posted By: StevieC
As someone who has run PP in the winter and cooler months, it's good but not as good as regular Mobil-1. I had lifter ticking for 5 minutes after starting my engine at -10oC with PP whereas I never had that with M1 even at -30oC
5w30 or???
 
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