4cyl Volvo 740, 4500rpm, 100mph sustained

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My goodness. You guys are incredible. I just found this place and I'm a bit overwhelmed. I've already spent a few hours going through zillions of posts and I'm pretty confused. I *thought* I knew my oil pretty well, but now I have to ask a question specific to one car that serves a specific purpose:


I have a Volvo 740 made in 1992, with 140,000 miles. It containes the venerable old B230F 2.4L 4cyl engine. It is *not* my daily driver. I keep it in mint condition and use it for one thing only: long distance driving for vacations, with good gas milage at high speed (26mpg@100mph). The car otherwise sits around most of its life.

When I *do* drive it though, I usually warm it up carefully, drive it gently for maybe 70 miles until I'm out of town and on the open road, and gradually end up getting the speed up to about 90-100mph sustained, for several hours (I'm not driving like a maniac, I'm getting blown away by old ladies in minivans!). At that speed, my engine is turning 4500rpm, which is high, but normal for this year of Volvo. The engine is in excellent shape considering the miles, and the valves are recently adjusted. The engine used to have slight #1 piston slap when cold, which went away in less than 1 minute after starting -- again pretty typical for the breed. Since I switched to synthetic 30,000 miles ago, in the last 10,000 miles, the slap seems to have disappeared.


I've been using Mobil1 10w30 most of the time, sometimes 5w30 if it was all I could find, and a Mann filter, or a Mobil1 filter if I was in a bind. Change interval has been 6 months, or 3-5,000 miles. The M1 0w40 just popped up in my local auto store, so I was planning to switch to that.


Here are my problems:

1. After about one solid hour of high speed running, my engine becomes noticeably louder. At speed, the "hum" is much much louder, and when I pull over and idle, the engine is much clickier. This clickiness persists until the engine has cooled for over a day, more like two days -- and then it is quiet again, and remains quiet until the next high speed run. I can only assume that this is because the consistency of the oil is changing somehow because of the high speed, and it doesn't fix itself until after a very long cooling period.


2. The high iron numbers I've been seeing for Mobil 1 are scaring me.


Can someone please please, just *tell* me which oil to use for the way I drive this car. I'm so confused!

I do NOT care about price per quart, I just want the best oil out there. However, I'd rather have a common oil that is available at my local store.

How about this combo:

Syntec (which grade?) and a K&N oil filter.

Any thoughts?
 
J, a dozen of us could tell you what oil to use and probably you'd have a dozen-different oils named because it's all opinion! I use Red Line because it has the highest proportion of the highest-quality base stocks and uses VI improvers only in its 5W-40 (which I use in our Arizona-desert nonsummers).

Sounds to me as if your oil is thinning a lot at the high temperatures you're generating. I'd use RL 10W-40 and an M1 filter.
 
Need...something...thicker.

Good oil filter choice though.

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I agree with others, you should go to a heavier grade of oil. I would try a 40 weight since you are probably seeing high oil temps which cause the oil to thin out. Also M1 30weight are on the light side of 30 weight.
 
Does this car have a oil cooler??

If not you are really pushing the limits on oil temperature. At 90-100 mph for several hours.
 
i - After about one solid hour of high speed running, my engine becomes noticeably louder. At speed, the "hum" is much much louder, and when I pull over and idle, the engine is much clickier. This clickiness persists until the engine has cooled for over a day, more like two days -- and then it is quiet again, and remains quiet until the next high speed run.

I don't understand the extended "cool down" time correcting the problem.
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I don't understand the extended "cool down" time correcting the problem.
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Neither do I ..but ...hmmm aeration maybe? That would produce lowered pressure ..but I've never heard of it taking that long to go away. For that matter ...I haven't heard of it being an issue in any vehicle anywhere since windage trays were introduced many years ago. That is, this would be the first time in a long time if this is indeed the cause.


Since this is a dedicated driver (exclusively high speed/long duration) ..any heavy weight would be ideal for it. You have little need for cold start performance ..nor any marginal fuel economy ..and at the oil temps you're probably running ..you are probably down to 5 weight @ 100 mph.
 
One of our resident Volvo experts might have a better recomendation, but I'd try RedLine 10w30 first and possibly the RedLine 10w40. You probably can find it at Advance Auto Parts for $7.99 quart. Synergyn LTS 3w-30 or 5w30 is another option if you can find a local distributor or don't mind mail ordering it.

Whatever you decide to try, do a baseline UOA on what your using presently, and whatever you decide to try. Better to decide on facts rather than opinions.
 
HTHS of Mobil 1 5/10W-30 is too low for this kind of use. The increased noise is the classic symptom of this. Volvo recommends 10W-30 or 15W-40 for this engine. I would definitely use the latter in temperatures above 0'F.

Try Valvoline Durablend 15W-40, which is available for free after rebate. See Rebates/Promotions forum for more info.
 
Your not pushing the limits of M1 going 90-100 for few hours. The oil might get hot but its still doing its job.
I ran my Nissan NX2000 from Florida to NJ at a clip of 100-125 for hour on end on dino oil. That motor was also very shortly geared (3k rpm at 65mph) And I did not have one problem and this is with well over 100k miles on the clock.

Just switch to a thicker oil 0-40 might be find but I think you might be better of with a 10-40 or 15-50 oil. You dont do many cold starts only high speed cruising.

Test few oils and see which one you like best.
 
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Originally posted by Bill:

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2. The high iron numbers I've been seeing for Mobil 1 are scaring me.

Are you referring to oil analysis you have for your engine or other analysis listed on this site?


What others said on this site. I've never had an analysis done on my car. I didn't realize it was a commonplace thing that anyone could have done.
 
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Originally posted by 427Z06:
One of our resident Volvo experts might have a better recomendation, but I'd try RedLine 10w30 first and possibly the RedLine 10w40. You probably can find it at Advance Auto Parts for $7.99 quart. Synergyn LTS 3w-30 or 5w30 is another option if you can find a local distributor or don't mind mail ordering it.

Whatever you decide to try, do a baseline UOA on what your using presently, and whatever you decide to try. Better to decide on facts rather than opinions.


I like the idea of the Redline 10w40, as there is an Advance Auto Parts in my neighborhood. I'd *love* to do an analysis on my car... but I'm only about 300 miles into my fresh M1 change, and I'd rather just dump the stuff out now, rather than wait another 3000 miles just to get the analysis done.

If there are no major objections here, maybe I'll just switch to the Redline 10w40 and see if it's quieter... and if it is, just stick with that?
 
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Originally posted by Cary:
I agree with others, you should go to a heavier grade of oil. I would try a 40 weight since you are probably seeing high oil temps which cause the oil to thin out. Also M1 30weight are on the light side of 30 weight.

I guess I was completely wrong, but I thought, (probably because of marketing) that Mobil1 didn't thin out at high engine temps. That's why I just stayed with 30 weight. I figured it would probably be better than 40w dino at continuous high speed conditions.
 
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Originally posted by Jelly:
My choice: M1 15w-50.

I'm worried that would be dangerous and possibly cause damage eventually. Volvo doesn't recommend 50W in this car in any conditions.
 
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Originally posted by i:

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Originally posted by Jelly:
My choice: M1 15w-50.

I'm worried that would be dangerous and possibly cause damage eventually. Volvo doesn't recommend 50W in this car in any conditions.


Dangerous and cause damage...how do you figure that?

Sure, Volvo doesn't recommend fifty-weight, but twelve years, 140,000 miles and constant 100mph driving were not figured into that decision...
 
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