25k change intervals

[Tracker]

Everyone changes oil between 3-5k miles while in Europe VW states in the manual every 12K miles. Also when I purchased a new truck with the oil changes included in the sales agreement they say come in every 5k, but when they are NOT included in the sales agreement they say come in every 3k, or void your warranty. Hmmmmm.
Also has anyone used Lubrication engineers oil? these people say 25k between changes.
I found them here - Also http://www.toyotaoffroad.com/Articles/synthetic_oils.htm
They say it's Conventional oil better than Mobil 1. I want to believe them since they are not trying to sell the oil .
I have no affiliates with this oil etc. etc etc. I just want to hear from people using it as I am about to change oils.

[ September 14, 2003, 07:07 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]

 

[BOBISTHEOILGUY]

Tracker,

Kevin is a great individual and is very intelligent about oils. I highly respect his comments and commitments about educating people on the basics of lubrication.

This article says a lot about how it's not so much the synthetic part of the oil that makes it better than a mineral but the combination of blending, the types of base oil used, but the additives that are used that make up a good oil. I agree, that most standard otc oils in many different retail markets are but min at best to make the api grade, BUT, like LE oils, there are many "specialized" oils not on the regular market such as LE, RP, Schaeffers that can carry it's weight with a good synthetic. I myself use a blend by schaeffers and have extended it out with good success. Compared it to a couple of synthetic's, one of which is m1. Schaeffers blend had the same basic wear numbers and in some cases better than m1.

To go 25k miles on any oil, synthetic or mineral/blend, there are things that must be done. You cannot just put that oil in the engine and go 25k. This has been proved out many times. Filter changes and added oil must be a part of this.

With all due respect to kevin, He is "SELLING" in that article, otherwise he wouldn't just mention le only. He's a believer in his products as I am in schaeffers. The neat think on here is many people share oil analysis and as of yet, I'm not sure I've seen to many LE analysis. I believe there is one person that is using le products and I'm sure with great success, but you also have to consider price as part of that factor.

I also liked his comments, "It is a fact that you can NOT make premium oil without it costing more money. It is also a fact that just because your oil costs more money does not make it premium oil. This is the dilemma of most oil purchasers."

I don't agree totally with his next comment,"Both the Lubrication Engineers and the Mobil 1 oils are high quality premium oils that are a cut above the other oils." As there are quite a few that hold up as well and in some cases proves out even better.

I can't speak for LE's products personally, so my thoughts and comments about their products are mainly based on Kevin's reputation as I know him to an honest upstanding individual and no reason for him to misrepresent his company's products. So based on that, I'm sure his products are quite comparable to schaeffers, amsoils, m1, redline and a few other elite oils.

Hope that helps clear up the article.

 

[GeorgeCLS]

I would have some difficulty accepting the premise of LE being better than Mobil 1, as LE is great at using specific lab test procedures that may highlight one component of their product (like grinding an ax against a bearing, etc.) which may have absolutely no relevance to real world operating conditions.. The proverbial LE dog and pony show.. However, in the real world of operating engines, where the rubber meets the road, I think LE would have great difficulty pointing to specific operational differences between their quite expensive, difficiult to find, oils.... LE certainly makes high quality products, but at a price that one starts to get to decreasing TCO justification, IMHO and experience..
Another way to look at synthetic blends is that, from a purist viewpoint, we have a 'weakest link' situation going on. With all the wonderrful advantages of resistance to oxidation, film strength, temperature stability being compromised by the 'weak link' aspects of even the highest quality mineral based oils..
George

 

[sprintman]

LE Ultra 8800

 

[sprintman]

LE Ultra 8800 is far and away the best dino my good mate Ron has tested yet but so it should be at the price. Wearcheck also provided some very good figures. Still it would be more expensive than Delvac 1 so is it cost effective?

 

[buster]

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However, in the real world of operating engines, where the rubber meets the road, I think LE would have great difficulty pointing to specific operational differences between their quite expensive, difficiult to find, oils.... LE certainly makes high quality products, but at a price that one starts to get to decreasing TCO justification,

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It seems real world testing is really the only way to rate an oil. I see oils with great specs many times not live up to their hype. Like Bob said, Schaeffer's is as good as any and I myself would never have thought that. I've seen M1 in a Jetta Turbo go 17k miles and maintain it's grade. Thaty defies logic. Its not even an A3 rated oil.