2017 Audi Q7 3.0T - Valvoline Restore & Protect 5W30, 2000 miles

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All results are within normal ranges, and the wear rate per 1,000 miles is below 5 ppm, which is good. The particle count results look great, and the Tin level is from the Molybdenum
additive in the oil. Based on these results, the oil change interval can be extended, so resample at next oil change (3,000 to 4,000 miles) to monitor and establish the trend analysis.

Based on these results, all you need is the standard kit. You will get all of the data as on this report except the particle count. Now that we now there is a low level of contamination in the engine, the standard analysis can give you enough data to accurately determine the proper oil change interval.

I’d recommend taking a sample at each oil change until we dial in the proper oil change interval for you. I suspect that might take 3 or 4 samples to get that well established. After that, an annual oil analysis is all you will need.



This was actually the second oil change with R&P. Lake suggested to wait till the second interval to “double flush” the internals and avoid cross contamination with the previous LiquiMoly oil. So by the time this sample was sent I had actually driven 4K miles in total. (2k - drain and change filter and 2k - drain and change filter and sent oil for analysis)

I am not a member of BITOG and I am totally ok with this being shared over there!




So this is not my oil sample but from another fellow that had posted this on AudiWorld. We were talking about VR&P over there and there are a number of us using it in our low tension oil ring equipped Audi 3.0T engines. I thought it would be great to post it here so I had suggested to him that I could do that for him if he would allow me to and he agreed to allow me to post it here as he is not a BITOG member.
 
It is nice of you to ask & share this here on the forum. This R&P has been creating quite the buzz around here lately & it's nice to see UOA on it any chance we can learn about its behavior. In use for only 2k miles so there is not much to see since that is a low mileage duration, in short the results are excellent. It is great to read the comments regarding the plan as well so thanks for including those details, especially about the Tin.
 
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Nice. Hoping they do longer OCI in the future to see what it looks like. I suspect it'll still look good. These cars must not have fuel dilution issues. Viscosity looked great
 
1. Why would you ever use that oil in Audi, which is calling for far better, more stout oils?
2. UOA at 2,000mls is absolutely useless. One could argue that Extra Virgin Olive Oil at 2,000k will produce OK UOA. Problem is how long that oil can last in an engine that is calling for a reason for much better oils? Also, $30 UOA will not give you results when it comes to deposits etc.
 
stormgol said:
why in the world would you put 5w30 non euro oil in that vehicle, when the correct grade required is 5w40 euro oil? like seriously.
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Oil spec for this Audi is:
VW 502 00 Use synthetic oil SAE 5W-40, SAE 5W-30 or SAE 0W-40

Similar Valvoline SynPower 5W–30 is on the approved list.
 
Not advisable, but you can probably get away with it and clean up the engine in the process. I'm assuming it's out of warranty. The standout difference between this and Euro oil is the viscosity, among other things. Euro has a HT/HS of 3.5. However, no Euro oil I'm aware of can clean piston deposits, assuming you have them. At your own risk obviously.
 
stormgol said:
why in the world would you put 5w30 non euro oil in that vehicle, when the correct grade required is 5w40 euro oil? like seriously.
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Because these 3.0 Audi CREC engine are sticking the low tension oil rings using the recommended 40 weight Euro oils left and right. They get to a point where they blow up and burn valves with the carbon holding the exhaust valve open when consuming a quart of oil in 300-500 miles thats why. Always a know it all right around the corner. Seriously ***....
 
For those that think we're running this VR&P because we want to. It's either take chance it on cleaning up the pistons after a piston soak or blow the engine from the consequences of the stuck oil rings. So far it looks as though that the 5W30 VR&P is doing just fine. The 40 weight Euro oils certainly are not as this is what caused all the stuck oil rings to begin with on these engines..... Oil consumption appears to start on the 3.0 CREC in as little as 40,000 miles and typically by 70,000 miles or so are gobbling oil.

Use common sense and ask yourself why the Euro oils? Extended drains, high speeds on the Autobahn and high oil temps. We dont have Autobahns here in he states or run those kinds of high speed, so how important is that 3.5 HT/HS really in the US? The VR&P is close at 3.25 or thereabouts, and like I said they dont get run that hard here in the states.

If we run the VR&P and reduce, oil change intervals (5000 miles should be just fine I would suspect) and test the used oil for wear metals where does the problem lie? If there is no excess wear, then where is there going to be an issue running non Euro oils? Its all about the wear and keeping the internals clean right. Also Audi dropped the requirements from 40 weight oils down to 30 weight without a change in the engine.

We would love to see Valvoline make a 40 weight oil in this Restore & Protect, but they don't. So 5W30 it is for now and follow the science and test the used oil. So far people have been seeing oil consumption improvements running it.

I did a Berryman's B12 piston soak a BG EPR flush and switched to the VR&P and have not used a drop of oil in 1700 miles so far, this after consuming a quart in 400 miles after purchasing the vehicle. Many have run as high as 5000 miles and not used oil after a soak and a flush. I'll change to the second VR&P oil change at 3000 mies then run the second change to 5000 miles and do an oil sample myself. All indicators appear that this oil is doing what its supposed to do and thats clean up pistons and rings. Many are seeing great improvement now they're getting some miles on with multiple changes with it. And thus far I haven't seen any worrying wear or trouble with it. No world coming to an end or seized engines with it either. I'll say the 3.0 engine sure runs smoother and quieter with it as well. So far I'm impressed with the VR&P. I wouldn't put in in my V8 twin turbo Mercedes but I don't need too, it doesn't consume oil....
 
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I posted this on the VR&P thread in the other area.


Wanted to do a quick update on the VR&P. I pulled the filter today from the Q7 with over 1300 miles on the VR&P, I replaced it and will run this first change to 3000 miles them change it to another run of 5W-30 VRP and do a 5000 miles run on that.

I cut the first filter apart after doing the B12 piston wash, the BG engine flush and that filter was loaded up with carbon. I cut the filter apart today and found the same load of carbon in it after running it for just 1300 miles. So the carbon is coming out nicely, but I suspect the biggest help was the B12 piston wash. Either way we have no oil consumed at 1300 miles yet after the vehicle drank a quart in just 400 miles after we purchase it. So it's all making a drastic difference in fixing the stuck oil rings on the pistons.




Keep in mind this filter below was run for only 400 miles, then had the B12 Piston Wash and BG EPR Flush. Loads of carbon!

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Filter after a 1300 mile run with Valvoline Restore & Protect 5W-30. Lots of carbon.

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I wanted to use the VRP in my Q7 to stop the oil burning issue but shied away from it because of the lack of VW502/504 spec. Interestingly while running mobil 1 5w-40 VW502 in my car the dealer advised ne that my car needed 0w-30 VW504 (2018 3.0 TFSI). Of course offered me an overpriced oil change which I refused. Decided to run the HPL euro 0w-30 since people seem to have good results de-carboning with it. It’s been great so far, slowed my burn to almost NIL. Just got my lab results back after a little over 4k miles. Interesting comparison to the VRP for sure.

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Tusflyer said:
I wanted to use the VRP in my Q7 to stop the oil burning issue but shied away from it because of the lack of VW502/504 spec. Interestingly while running mobil 1 5w-40 VW502 in my car the dealer advised ne that my car needed 0w-30 VW504 (2018 3.0 TFSI). Of course offered me an overpriced oil change which I refused. Decided to run the HPL euro 0w-30 since people seem to have good results de-carboning with it. It’s been great so far, slowed my burn to almost NIL. Just got my lab results back after a little over 4k miles. Interesting comparison to the VRP for sure.

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Looks great. Stayed in grade.

What version of HPL is this?
 
Man I forget how hilarious some on here are. Running this isn't gonna harm the engine in the short run and I'd argue in the long run it'd be fine if driven normally and changed at under 5k intervals. Yeah it's got about 0.4 hths lower than required but big whoop it's not the end of the world. A short run isn't a big deal.
 
Tusflyer said:
I wanted to use the VRP in my Q7 to stop the oil burning issue but shied away from it because of the lack of VW502/504 spec. Interestingly while running mobil 1 5w-40 VW502 in my car the dealer advised ne that my car needed 0w-30 VW504 (2018 3.0 TFSI). Of course offered me an overpriced oil change which I refused. Decided to run the HPL euro 0w-30 since people seem to have good results de-carboning with it. It’s been great so far, slowed my burn to almost NIL. Just got my lab results back after a little over 4k miles. Interesting comparison to the VRP for sure.

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Good report. And it is very similar results on the wear metals with double the miles and double the wear metals. Supports the fact that VR&P is in good company from the wear aspect as the HPL Euro oil. Thanks for adding the report on the Audi Q7. The more info the better to fix the sticking low tension oil control ring issues on these newer engines.

Did you happen to cut the filter apart and have a look to see if there's carbon in there?
 
KnappAttak said:
Good report. And it is very similar results on the wear metals with double the miles and double the wear metals. Supports the fact that VR&P is in good company from the wear aspect as the HPL Euro oil. Thanks for adding the report on the Audi Q7. The more info the better to fix the sticking low tension oil control ring issues on these newer engines.

Did you happen to cut the filter apart and have a look to see if there's carbon in there?
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I pulled and replaced the filter when I extracted the sample, there was indeed bits of carbon. I was very surprised.
 
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