2011 Skoda Superb 2.0 TDI CR - Mobil vs Castrol?

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Oil specification for this CFFB engine is 507.00 and my OCI is 6200 miles (10000 km)

My short list is as follows:
- Mobil 1 ESP 5W30
- Castrol Edge Titanium FST 5W30

Would either one of these two be better than the other or are they by any chance more or less equal products?

Both are available locally and cost about the same.

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Both are very good. My slight preference would be Mobil1.
If you can find older version of Mobil1 ESP Formula 5W30 that has BMW LL04 approval, buy it. Actually buy everything available in store and stock it.
 
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Did you consider Fuchs? Perhaps not as mass-marketed as Mobil and Castrol, but I heard that they make/made VW factory-fill engine and transmission oils. Fuchs has a plant in Gliwice, PL, which is only ~250km by road from VW's Kvasiny, CZ plant, where your Superb might have been put together, and not far from other VW plants (e.g. Slovakia) either, so I wouldn't be surprised if what I heard was true.

I have an older TDI PD for which 505.01 oil is specified at 15000km/1yr intervals, and the Fuchs 5W-40 505.01 is a bit less expensive than, what I would call, the equivalent Castrol, 5W-40 Turbo Diesel. Going to 10000km from 15000km, due to age of engine, recommendations, I thought that I might as well buy something cheaper. Bad logic? I don't know. Hopefully it won't be worse for my car.
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The Fuchs transmission fluid for VW 5 and 6 speed gearboxes is much less expensive (at least here) than the equivalent Castrol, too. Looking for transmission fluid that's cheaper than the Castrol V FE one is what led me to Fuchs in the first place, and reading about them online convinced me to give them a try.

Anyway, maybe a bit off topic, but I hope that helps.
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On an aside, is the marketing wording 'full synthetic' still limited to non-group3 in DE? Did (and do) companies make two different oils, one for DE, and one for the rest of the EU, under the same name (i.e. Castrol EDGE 5W-30 LL)?

Castrol's PDSs for that oil seem to be the same for at least Germany and Finland:
Germany: https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/FD2F9FCB75F199898025833F003AEEFE/$File/BPXE-B6FE5S.pdf
Finland: https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/66F09BD1A43F492E8025832F00346B5B/$File/BPXE-A2QNJP.pdf

I'm no expert, but isn't that a fairly high pour point? (-39 C) What are the coldest temperatures you see in Finland over the year?
It's been -36 C for a good few days over the past few years in Canada, and it wasn't that far north in Canada either.

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A few more links for you for Fuchs:
PCEO line: https://www.fuchs.com/fi/en/product...01-titan-engine-oils-for-passenger-cars/
Recommendation for your car: https://fuchs-eu.lubricantadvisor.c...mp;type=4b0823e809edf6ec5478d5e5584b0142
https://www.fuchs.com/fi/en/special/product/product/104587-titan-gt1-pro-c-3-sae-5w-30/ (interestingly, it has BMW LL-04 approval, which the Castrol doesn't)

HTH
 
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Links to Product Data:

Fuchs Titan GT1 PRO C3 5W-30:
https://www.fuchs.com/fi/en/special/product/product/104587-titan-gt1-pro-c-3-sae-5w-30/

Castrol EDGE 5W-30 LL:
https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/66F09BD1A43F492E8025832F00346B5B/$File/BPXE-A2QNJP.pdf

Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30:
https://www.exxonmobil.com/Xomfl/Core/Handlers/PDFHandler.ashx?component=PDS&downloadUrl=https://www.mobil.com/English-FI/Passenger-Vehicle-Lube/pds/GLXXMobil-1-ESP-5W30?p=1
 
Cheers.

Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.

Fuchs, despite being quality products, are not seen very often here. If they are they are mostly ATF and transmission oils and such. And pricing of those products have been comparative with other brands. I could get Fuchs from Germany but as Mobil, Castrol etc. are available at the local supermarket there is no point, I'm afraid.

With my earlier 1.9 TDI PDs I used Teboil (Lukoil) Diamond Diesel 5W40 which meets 505.01.

I'm under impression that in Germany fully synthetic still needs to be that ie. fully synthetic.

I'm on the west coast so winters are mild, maybe -20...-25 degrees Celsius for a couple of weeks max nowadays.


PS. Found a Fuchs dealer perhaps 100 km from me. 4 liter jug is 35,- Euros when Mobil is 30,- locally. Not a deal breaker, though.
 
In general, I'd probably go for the Mobil 1 over the Castrol, but that's just me.
Not sure I'd travel 100 km to get the Fuchs, but I have no experience with them yet, and it's 5 euros per 4 litres more too.
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I think you might need 4,3 litres for an oil change for that engine, if so, you'd need to get an extra litre bottle (seems they're usually more expensive, but maybe that depends), find a 5 litre bottle (not sure if Fuchs sells them, maybe Mobil 1 does), or buy an extra 4 litre jug once in a while.

I have a bottle of Castrol EDGE 5W-30 LL that is maybe ~2-3 years old, it says 'FULLY SYNTHETIC' on the front, 'Made in the EU' on the back. It was sold in Poland. I wonder if the label was different in Germany.
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I've seen some EDGE 5W-30 LL online that say 'HC-Synthese'. Hmmm.. It would be a bit of a bummer, but I wouldn't be surprised if 'fully synthetic' in Poland, and possibly other places in Europe, is actually HC synthesized.

Have you considered Shell Helix Ultra C2/C3 0W-30?
https://shell-livedocs.com/data/published/fi/3e52be6d-f6ae-4488-b2ac-d2f04666b6e5.pdf
Cost may be similar or slightly less than the Mobil 1 or Castrol? I think it's sold in Canada as Pennzoil Platinum Euro LX 0W-30.
I'm not sure how good it is compared to the others, but Shell is obviously another 'big petroleum company' option. What, if anything, that means for the quality of the oil, I don't know.
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Not sure how its longevity would compare to the 5W-30 oils either, but it has VW 504.00/507.00, some MB Approvals, Porsche C30, etc, and maybe it would be better for some winter days than a 5W-30?

I find it interesting that, for VW engines at least, there is no distinction between 'standard' and 'severe' service (please correct me if I'm wrong), and changes are specified at simply 15,000 km / 1yr. In North America, at least for some asian cars I've seen, for 'severe' use (which includes short trip use), the regular specified oil change interval is halved, both km and time. All of Canada is considered 'severe' service for them too. I wonder what someone should do if they do short trips in Canada. lol
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Hope that helps.
 
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Originally Posted by Finn
Cheers.

Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.

Fuchs, despite being quality products, are not seen very often here. If they are they are mostly ATF and transmission oils and such. And pricing of those products have been comparative with other brands. I could get Fuchs from Germany but as Mobil, Castrol etc. are available at the local supermarket there is no point, I'm afraid.

With my earlier 1.9 TDI PDs I used Teboil (Lukoil) Diamond Diesel 5W40 which meets 505.01.

I'm under impression that in Germany fully synthetic still needs to be that ie. fully synthetic.

I'm on the west coast so winters are mild, maybe -20...-25 degrees Celsius for a couple of weeks max nowadays.


PS. Found a Fuchs dealer perhaps 100 km from me. 4 liter jug is 35,- Euros when Mobil is 30,- locally. Not a deal breaker, though.


Fuchs is largest industrial lubricant manufacturer in Germany, but their personal vehicle oils and fluids were mediocre. That is why they purchased Pentosin some 3-4 years ago to acquire know-how.
Yes, Germany made and German SOLD oils that claim to be full synthetic have to be actually full synthetic. But, if those oils are sold outside Germany, it can say Full Synthetic, but in reality be Group III or GTL.
 
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