2005 Toyota Camry 3.0 V6, 5,010mi, M1 0W30

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Here is our other car. Acquired as a Certified pre-owned with about 35K miles on it. Plan to follow 5K OCIs with Synthetic. Is M1 OW30 a good choice? 2005 Toyota Camry 3.0 V6, 5,010mi, M1 0W30 47,260 miles: Everything looks great in this last sample from your Camry. Metals are steady and reading right around average levels, and this is an excellent indication that no new problems are developing as you close in on the 50,000 mile mark. No fuel, moisture, or coolant was found. Viscosity is normal for a 0W/30 oil. We use the insolubles test to tell us about oil filtration and oxidation. Your insoulubles are great at 0.2%, so you’ve got no problems there. Average for this engine is 4500 miles on the oil. You can easily go 7500 miles. Nice Toyota! Oil M1 030 M1 030 Dealer M/HR on Oil 5,010 4,900 2,850 M/HR on Unit 47,260 42,250 37,350 Sample Date 3/14 10/19 5/11 Univ. Avgs Aluminum 3 2 1 3 Chromium 1 0 0 0 Iron 8 7 3 7 Copper 1 1 1 2 Lead 2 1 2 3 Tin 0 0 0 1 Molybdenum 85 81 2 62 Nickel 0 0 0 0 Manganese 0 0 0 0 Silver 0 0 0 0 Titanium 0 0 0 0 Potassium 1 3 1 1 Boron 36 34 4 48 Silicon 23 24 20 15 Sodium 15 44 277 11 Calcium 2108 2048 1605 2012 Magnesium 12 11 7 181 Phosphorus 595 581 586 714 Zinc 626 682 695 837 Barium 0 0 0 0 SUS [email protected] 56.2 58.3 55.5 55-60 cSt [email protected] 9.12 9.73 8.91 8.8-10.5 Flashpoint F 385 415 420 >360 Fuel <0.5 <0.5 <0.5 <2.0 Insolubles 0.2 0.3 0.2 <0.6 TBN N.A. 2.5 N.A. Thx
 
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What were the oils used at 42k and 37k - they have different signatures than the last two OC's, less iron wear at 42K even with the oil sheared to a 20wt (unless it started as a 20wt)
 

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37K was the toyota dealer oil which came with the used car 42K is M1 0W30 47K is M1 0W30
 
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Oh I see the earliest 'mi on unit' is missing, so I meant 37K and ?? The column 3 with 277ppm Sodium ,maybe Exxon superflo, showed good iron wear but high shear. Cheaper than synthetic, good ADD pack.
 
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Looks good. I would try running it out to 7-7500 miles. Save yourself an oil change and not waste good Syn oil.
 
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I'd run 5000 miles until your warranty is up. Then 7500 seems pretty reasonable. Understandably you'll be worried about the reputation for sludging on that, but M1 is probably the perfect oil if that's what you're worried about.
 
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I just traded in my Yaris for a Chevy Impala. I loved the gas mileage and reliability of the Yaris but driving 30,000 miles a year was not real comfortable...especially the 8+ hour stints. I'm not sure the Impala (it's an '08 with the 3.5L) will be as reliable but the highway mileage is phenomenal...34+ in steady highway driving (around 60 mph...mostly 55mph 2 lanes up here in northern Michigan) and over 30 mpg with a little "city" driving thrown in...and MUCH more comfortable (the local dealer showed me the Yaris he had just taken on trade for another Impala...2007 hatchback automatic with 117,000 miles...salesman's car. This guy is driving almost TWICE as much as me...had the same complaint...wanted something more comfortable. GM may have their faults but they sure figured out how to make torquey V6's get great highway mileage). Anyway, I was using Mobil 1 0W30 in the Yaris with great results and have 4 quarts in the garage (sump on the Impala only holds 4 quarts). I was considering going with Pennzoil Platinum but don't see any reason to stop using the Mobil 1. It appears that this 0W30 is one of their better oils. With the few UOA's that have been posted (including one from my Yaris), I've yet to see an issue...gonna dump it in at the next change.
 
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 Originally Posted By: bepperb
I'd run 5000 miles until your warranty is up. Then 7500 seems pretty reasonable. Understandably you'll be worried about the reputation for sludging on that, but M1 is probably the perfect oil if that's what you're worried about.
Sludge is not a concern with a 2005. The Sludgemakers ran from 97 to 01. After that it appears that the PCV system and oil passages were revised, and the problem was no more. Obviously, any engine deserves respect, and this one is no exception. I'd play to the wty until it's up, and then adjust via UOA.
 
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 Originally Posted By: bepperb
I'd run 5000 miles until your warranty is up.
Does the owners manual for a Camry actually mention 0W30? It would be my guess that 0W30 isn't an 'approved' viscosity.
 

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You are right about the 5W-30. But I thought the TSB covers only 2006 and 2007 ?
 
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 Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
 Originally Posted By: bepperb
I'd run 5000 miles until your warranty is up.
Does the owners manual for a Camry actually mention 0W30? It would be my guess that 0W30 isn't an 'approved' viscosity.
Mobil says their AFE oil is designed to sub for 10w/5w-30. Why would the 0w be a problem? If so, you cant start your car warm ; ) I'd love to hear a logical argument against 0w oils.
 
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 Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
 Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
 Originally Posted By: bepperb
I'd run 5000 miles until your warranty is up.
Does the owners manual for a Camry actually mention 0W30? It would be my guess that 0W30 isn't an 'approved' viscosity.
Mobil says their AFE oil is designed to sub for 10w/5w-30. Why would the 0w be a problem? If so, you cant start your car warm ; ) I'd love to hear a logical argument against 0w oils.
For sure 0W30 is a great all around viscosity which many of us use with great success as shown by the corresponding UOAs. BUT FWIW not often is this viscosity listed specifically in an owners manual. GM permits the use of 0W30 if in an area of extreme cold, where the temperature falls below −20°F (−29°C). There are really few places where this occurs.
 
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My manual has "recommended" or "preferred" oil viscosities not "Required". the W value has nothing to do with the running viscosity at temp. And sub freezing viscosities are in the thousands of cP. The thinner the better at startup - with the qualifier - as long as the oil holds up (doesnt shear way below range over the OCI). UPDATE - Jeepers, now you got me overthinking about sufficient drainback with high volume cold flow on a cold motor ... ... ...
 
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I just purchased two, 5 quart jugs from WalMart of Green Cap 0w30. As stated above, I also think this is one of Mobil 1's best oils. I will us it in my 4-Runner for summer and winter fills, moving forward.
 
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