2004 Altima

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Interesting.
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I wonder why the difference? Both the '02 and '03 Altima had the 175hp 2.5L 4 cyl engine. And the 3.5L V6 is common on many Nissans besides just the Altima.

Be a rebel!
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Use the Mobil 1.
 
My manual recommends mineral oil as well.
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I think Nissan, like Briggs & Stratton, should stick to making machinery and drop the stupid, CYA recommendations about oil.
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Talking to other SpecV owners, almost none use a non-synthetic oil.

Even the dealership I bought the car from (supposedly) uses a synthetic blend ... although that's Group III as well.

--- Bror Jace
 
I don't know where these rumors get started, but I have a number of customers running Amsoil in Nissans and it works just fine.

The first vehicle I ever ran Amsoil in was my 1976 Datsun 620 pickup - back in the spring of 1978. In fact, I ran the Amsoil 10w-40 syn. engine oil and 80w-90 syn. gear lube in that engine/transmission/diff for seven years with no issues at all. I traded the Datsun in, back in April of 1985 and bought a 1985 VW Jetta GL ....

Tooslick
Dixie Synthetics
 
The imprtant thing is to keep up with maintence. If you do not feel safe useing synthetic then do not use synthetic. Oils are better then ever today. I would never advise you to use a 7500 oil change interval with conventional oil especialy in your environment. I think 5000 miles is more then enough on conventional oil in nothing but city driveing! Your driveing style would be the perfect situation to use lube control to keep oil clean and reduce oxidation!!
 
If you go to the Mobil 1 website and use their product recommender, they don't list anything after 2002 model year on these Nissans.

This doesn't help the confusion.
 
Too Slick, I don't think a statement in the owner's manual is a rumor. I just came from Nissan's on line site of owner's manuals and the 2002 Altima manual states "Mineral based or synthetic type oils may be used in your Nissan vehicle". Further reading of the 2003, 2004 & 2005 Altima manuals states "Nissan recommends mineral based oils", no mention of synthetic type and if you read Haley10's post, the Mobil 1 site would bear that out. Oh well for whatever reason, Nissan is no longer recommending synthetic type oils. I'll stick with the Havoline or maybe use Pennzoil 5w30 in the winter.

[ May 02, 2004, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: Frank D ]
 
I think Nissan has issues with Diesters based synthetic in some of their diesels and other commercial fleet type vechiles. Their seals could not handle diester based synthetics. It was easier for them to caution against the use of all synthetics then it was to try to educate their consumer on a global scale.

You have to assume that the person maintaining it may not be an oil nut! In any case useing Mobil 1 is about as saf as it gets as they are primarily PAO synthetics!

I got this info some what parapharsed from the M1 FAQ part of their site!
 
Had a friend with a SR24DETT I6 twin turbo, ran 5w30 in it as a daily driver, then moved to 15w-50 on race days. Ran like a champ, both were M1 Synthetic.
 
Well....I sent Nissan an email and asked why they only recommend mineral based oil these days. Here is the response I got. What a joke!

"Thank you for taking the time to personally contact us about your interest in Nissan products. Currently, your local dealership's service department should retain all information pertaining to types of oil. If your local dealership is unable to further assist you, please contact other dealerships in your area. We hope that this information answers your question, but if you need any additional information or have further questions, please let us know by reply e-mail or by calling 1-800-647-7263 and pressing "0" for a live operator."

Nice cars, but dealing with Nissan representatives is like
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Did anyone stop to think that maybe they have changed there policy on synthetic oil to keep the service stations changing your oil every 3000 miles. Nissan wants to make $$.
 
Frank, let's try to put this in perspective: of course synthetic will work well in your Nissan engine. Nissan's not really saying there'll be a problem (if they were, they'd spell it out), but rather since your engine warranty is contingent on specific OCIs, it's not really necessary to go to the expense of a synthetic that's apt to be changed long before its capacity to protect has been exhausted. (for whatever reason, most OEMs continue NOT to recognize quality synthetic motor oils' ability to withstand extended drain intervals while protecting their engines...) That and the FACT that so-called "conventional" petroleum-derived motor oils are better than they've ever been, and the upcoming API "SM"/ILSAC "GF-4" oils month after next will be even better what with the anticipated increased use of Group II and Group III (a legitimate synthetic at the chemical level - it's called isomerization in chemistry texts, and, as applied to motor oil lube base stocks, goes well beyond "refining".) In the end it's up to you. There's nothing about Nissan metallurgy and engineering practices that would preclude or result in harm coming to your new engine from the use of synthetic motor oil. Just be aware, though, if you do decide to use a synthetic motor oil, and balance its expense with extended OCIs, you're playing Russian roulette with your engine warranty in case of the admittedly remote possibility you find it necessary to file a claim. (even Nissan misses the hoop occasionally...) Best of luck with your new wheels!
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[ June 02, 2004, 11:07 PM: Message edited by: Ray H ]
 
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Originally posted by Roger:
...dealing with Nissan representatives is like
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"Nissan representative" my Aunt Fannie! You were probably dealing with an outsourced CSR whose hourly pittance is billed to the marketing department. You were lucky she could read English...
 
All oil issues aside, you have a great new car. We just rented an '04 Altima last weekend and it was a joy to drive. We drove for 5 hrs on Sunday, and weren't beat up like we would have been in my truck. It got decent mileage (for only 6500 miles on the clock), rode smooth, had plenty of power, and felt sporty and nimble. Good luck and enjoy your new car!
 
As the owner of a 2002 Maxima with the same engine as your 2004 (I think you have the 3.5L) my book says to only use oils that meet API standards, which include most synthetics.

I have been running Mobil 1 5w30 for 20k miles changed every 5k (30k total on the engine) and have not seen any adverse affects. I recently sent off an oil sample, here is what is says:

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Thank you Crashz, yes it is a smooth riding car and handles very well. I have the 2.5l 4 cyl and it is a very smooth motor. After driving smaller 5 speed Nissans since 1980, I feel like I'm in a BMW. I'll use the Mobil 1 5w30 when the winter gets here. This past winter up here in the Northeast was pretty cold.
 
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