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Originally Posted by noclutch
Thanks for chiming in guy1!
Per chance do you or anyone know as of which bottle date they presumably reduced their calcium from 2500 to what what might be required to meet SN+??
It's been discussed before, but the bottling date seems to have occurred recently (within the past 2-3 months). Here's a topic that discussed it recently:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5020378/
Originally Posted by mdtaylor86
Noclutch, I sent in a VOA sample today on the PUP so we'll know in a week or two what kind of Ca the SN+ (but not Ford B1) formulation has in it.
Thanks. It will be interesting to see the formula change. Keep in mind that there are other aspect of motor oil that won't be revealed in a consumer-grade oil analysis. To describe what I mean, the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum has had the same additive package as the Pennzoil Ultra (pre-Pure Plus labeling), but the 2013 Ultra is not the same oil as the 2018 Ultra Platinum, despite elemental analysis being almost identical:
2013 Penzzoil Ultra Pre-PurePlus
www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/penzultra.htm
Also, here's some clarifications on SN+:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4770868/1
Thanks for chiming in guy1!
Per chance do you or anyone know as of which bottle date they presumably reduced their calcium from 2500 to what what might be required to meet SN+??
It's been discussed before, but the bottling date seems to have occurred recently (within the past 2-3 months). Here's a topic that discussed it recently:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5020378/
Originally Posted by mdtaylor86
Noclutch, I sent in a VOA sample today on the PUP so we'll know in a week or two what kind of Ca the SN+ (but not Ford B1) formulation has in it.
Thanks. It will be interesting to see the formula change. Keep in mind that there are other aspect of motor oil that won't be revealed in a consumer-grade oil analysis. To describe what I mean, the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum has had the same additive package as the Pennzoil Ultra (pre-Pure Plus labeling), but the 2013 Ultra is not the same oil as the 2018 Ultra Platinum, despite elemental analysis being almost identical:
2013 Penzzoil Ultra Pre-PurePlus
www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/penzultra.htm
Also, here's some clarifications on SN+:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4770868/1
Originally Posted by noclutch
Awesome mdtaylor!
By any chance do you know what the bottle date was on the pending UO'sA? Long shot I know.
Reason being, I'm trying to figure out (on the cheap and easy LOL) what kind of PUP's in mine right now.
The image in his post revealed the bottling date to be 26 December 2018.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-3-5-ecoboost-recommendation#Post5034209
Awesome mdtaylor!
By any chance do you know what the bottle date was on the pending UO'sA? Long shot I know.
Reason being, I'm trying to figure out (on the cheap and easy LOL) what kind of PUP's in mine right now.
The image in his post revealed the bottling date to be 26 December 2018.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-3-5-ecoboost-recommendation#Post5034209
Quick update on the Ford spec. I contacted Pennzoil asking about the B1 spec and if the Ultra Platinum 5w-30 met this spec or if they planned to in the future. This was the reply.
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The Pennzoil Ultra Platinum does not meet this Ford spec and at this time there is no communication stating it will be. Pennzoil Gold And Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30 currently meet and exceed this specification.
Sincerely,
Don Spence
Technical Data Specialist, Shell Tech Center Houston
So despite the SN Plus rating, it doesn't (and won't) meet Ford's new specification they changed to when they switched to SN Plus...
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The Pennzoil Ultra Platinum does not meet this Ford spec and at this time there is no communication stating it will be. Pennzoil Gold And Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30 currently meet and exceed this specification.
Sincerely,
Don Spence
Technical Data Specialist, Shell Tech Center Houston
So despite the SN Plus rating, it doesn't (and won't) meet Ford's new specification they changed to when they switched to SN Plus...
Originally Posted by mdtaylor86
Quick update on the Ford spec. I contacted Pennzoil asking about the B1 spec and if the Ultra Platinum 5w-30 met this spec or if they planned to in the future. This was the reply.
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The Pennzoil Ultra Platinum does not meet this Ford spec and at this time there is no communication stating it will be. Pennzoil Gold And Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30 currently meet and exceed this specification.
Sincerely,
Don Spence
Technical Data Specialist, Shell Tech Center Houston
So despite the SN Plus rating, it doesn't (and won't) meet Ford's new specification they changed to when they switched to SN Plus...
Based on what Shell said, it sounds like the new Ford -B1 spec covers more than what SN Plus covers. The Motorcraft video I posted earlier made it sound like the Ford -B1 spec was to just address LSPI.
Did PUP meet the Ford -A spec? If not, then I could see why it won't meet the -B1 spec either, even though it's SN Plus.
Quick update on the Ford spec. I contacted Pennzoil asking about the B1 spec and if the Ultra Platinum 5w-30 met this spec or if they planned to in the future. This was the reply.
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The Pennzoil Ultra Platinum does not meet this Ford spec and at this time there is no communication stating it will be. Pennzoil Gold And Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30 currently meet and exceed this specification.
Sincerely,
Don Spence
Technical Data Specialist, Shell Tech Center Houston
So despite the SN Plus rating, it doesn't (and won't) meet Ford's new specification they changed to when they switched to SN Plus...
Based on what Shell said, it sounds like the new Ford -B1 spec covers more than what SN Plus covers. The Motorcraft video I posted earlier made it sound like the Ford -B1 spec was to just address LSPI.
Did PUP meet the Ford -A spec? If not, then I could see why it won't meet the -B1 spec either, even though it's SN Plus.
Originally Posted by mdtaylor86
PUP 5w-30 is API SN+ rated. I just got 30 quarts from Walmart and and all six jugs have the SN+ spec.
So I did some more research based on this thread:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5020378/
Which was started on a Feb 22, 2019 date.
I went directly to API's licensing site and looked up Ultra Platinum:
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsProductResults?accountId=-1&brandName=ultra platinum
And Pennzoil's License:
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsResultsDetail?companyId=10217
Conclusion: Ultra Platinum SN+ began hitting store shelves by Feb 22nd, 2019 (so less than 2 weeks ago). Technically, they're able to display the label starting on Feb 23rd, 2019, but some guy at Walmart probably didn't care and put it on the shelf anyway. From what I've seen, bottling date typically precede shelf date by about 2 months for oil that sells often (factoring time for packaging, transportation, and then stocking it on the shelves).
PUP 5w-30 is API SN+ rated. I just got 30 quarts from Walmart and and all six jugs have the SN+ spec.
So I did some more research based on this thread:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5020378/
Which was started on a Feb 22, 2019 date.
I went directly to API's licensing site and looked up Ultra Platinum:
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsProductResults?accountId=-1&brandName=ultra platinum
And Pennzoil's License:
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsResultsDetail?companyId=10217
Conclusion: Ultra Platinum SN+ began hitting store shelves by Feb 22nd, 2019 (so less than 2 weeks ago). Technically, they're able to display the label starting on Feb 23rd, 2019, but some guy at Walmart probably didn't care and put it on the shelf anyway. From what I've seen, bottling date typically precede shelf date by about 2 months for oil that sells often (factoring time for packaging, transportation, and then stocking it on the shelves).
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Based on what Shell said, it sounds like the new Ford -B1 spec covers more than what SN Plus covers. The Motorcraft video I posted earlier made it sound like the Ford -B1 spec was to just address LSPI.
Did PUP meet the Ford -A spec? If not, then I could see why it won't meet the -B1 spec either, even though it's SN Plus.
I'm pretty sure PUP did meet the -A spec, even when it wasn't SN Plus yet, though I could be mistaken about that. The SN Plus PUP definitely meets the -A spec according to the bottle in my photo.
But yeah, I agree with your conclusion that there appears to be something more to the -B1 spec than just LSPI protection on level with SN Plus.
Based on what Shell said, it sounds like the new Ford -B1 spec covers more than what SN Plus covers. The Motorcraft video I posted earlier made it sound like the Ford -B1 spec was to just address LSPI.
Did PUP meet the Ford -A spec? If not, then I could see why it won't meet the -B1 spec either, even though it's SN Plus.
I'm pretty sure PUP did meet the -A spec, even when it wasn't SN Plus yet, though I could be mistaken about that. The SN Plus PUP definitely meets the -A spec according to the bottle in my photo.
But yeah, I agree with your conclusion that there appears to be something more to the -B1 spec than just LSPI protection on level with SN Plus.
Originally Posted by normal_guy1
So I did some more research based on this thread
...
Conclusion: Ultra Platinum SN+ began hitting store shelves by Feb 22nd, 2019 (so less than 2 weeks ago). Technically, they're able to display the label starting on Feb 23rd, 2019, but some guy at Walmart probably didn't care and put it on the shelf anyway. From what I've seen, bottling date typically precede shelf date by about 2 months for oil that sells often (factoring time for packaging, transportation, and then stocking it on the shelves).
Thanks! Interesting info.
So I did some more research based on this thread
...
Conclusion: Ultra Platinum SN+ began hitting store shelves by Feb 22nd, 2019 (so less than 2 weeks ago). Technically, they're able to display the label starting on Feb 23rd, 2019, but some guy at Walmart probably didn't care and put it on the shelf anyway. From what I've seen, bottling date typically precede shelf date by about 2 months for oil that sells often (factoring time for packaging, transportation, and then stocking it on the shelves).
Thanks! Interesting info.
Originally Posted by mdtaylor86
I'm thinking it's probably just not caught up with that Ford spec yet. It does seem a little odd that they've gotten the SN+ rating but not the -B1 if that spec was introduced a while ago. I actually didn't even notice that on the bottle. When did they switch to the -B1 spec? My '18 F150 2.7EB still shows the -A spec in its manual. I also have no reason to believe Pennzoil (and every other manufacturer) will not be listing the -B1 spec in the near future.
Ford go running after the oil truck, clipboard in hand, after the rollout was finished, like the CK-4 rollout, screaming, "Wait, what about our new spec?!"
At least when Chrysler louses up an oil specification, the Shell catalogue is large enough they can usually find some suitable replacement right off the shelf.
I'm thinking it's probably just not caught up with that Ford spec yet. It does seem a little odd that they've gotten the SN+ rating but not the -B1 if that spec was introduced a while ago. I actually didn't even notice that on the bottle. When did they switch to the -B1 spec? My '18 F150 2.7EB still shows the -A spec in its manual. I also have no reason to believe Pennzoil (and every other manufacturer) will not be listing the -B1 spec in the near future.
Ford go running after the oil truck, clipboard in hand, after the rollout was finished, like the CK-4 rollout, screaming, "Wait, what about our new spec?!"
At least when Chrysler louses up an oil specification, the Shell catalogue is large enough they can usually find some suitable replacement right off the shelf.
The VOA results are in. Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 SN Plus:
![[Linked Image]](https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/attachments/usergals/2019/03/full-69408-31029-pup_voa.png "[Linked Image]")
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