02 Miata, 10043, 125k total, M1 0w20 vs 0w40

[cheetahdriver]

a chance to compare M1 0w40 with 0w20. the latter had 1 quart of makeup and was a qt low when the oil was changed and the sample taken. the 0w40 had a 1/4 qt of makeup. doesn't look like the lighter vis had any effect on wear at all. TBN was very good for an oil that isn't considered a long life oil.


Code:


OIL M1 0w20 M1 0w40

MILES IN USE 10046 9892

MILES 125.7k 115.7k

SAMPLE TAKEN



ALUMINUM 4 3

CHROMIUM 1 2

IRON 23 23

COPPER 3 5

LEAD 1 1

TIN 0 0

MOLYBDENUM 101 92

NICKEL 0 0

MANGANESE 0 0

SILVER 0 0

TITANIUM 0 0

POTASSIUM 2 2

BORON 52 114

SILICON 21 18

SODIUM 7 7

CALCIUM 2434 3049

MAGNESIUM 13 18

PHOSPHORUS 619 878

ZINC 768 1117

BARIUM 0 0



INSOLUBLES 0.4 0.5

WATER 0 0

FLASHPOINT ºF 400 385

SUS VIS 210ºF 53.5 71.2

cSt @ 212ºF 12.11 12.33

TBN 2.5 2.0

 

[tig1]

Looks like the 10,000 mile OCI with M1 works well for you as it has for me since 1978.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: cheetahdriver
....doesn't look like the lighter vis had any effect on wear at all.


That's because they are the same viscosity!

Quote:
cSt @ 212ºF 12.11 12.33


Why is the 0W-20 so viscous? Typo?

 

[buster]

Looks good but the 20 grade is now a 30 grade.

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: cheetahdriver
....doesn't look like the lighter vis had any effect on wear at all.


That's because they are the same viscosity!

Quote:
cSt @ 212ºF 12.11 12.33


Why is the 0W-20 so viscous? Typo?



Pablo,
Can you explain the different range of numbers for the different viscosity grades. Say start at 20wt up through 50wt.

Thanks
tig1

 

[zulu]

There's a chart on the homepage if you are interested...

20W 5.6 - 9.29
30W 9.3 - 12.49
40W 12.5 - 16.29
50W 16.3 - 21.89

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: zulu
There's a chart on the homepage if you are interested...

20W 5.6 - 9.29
30W 9.3 - 12.49
40W 12.5 - 16.29
50W 16.3 - 21.89


Thanks for finding that. tig1

 

[INDYMAC]

Looks like a typo to me. SUS@210 is right for a 20W, but cSt@100C doesn't look right...typo!

 

[Pablo]

Better yet here is were it comes from:

http://www.infineum.com/information/api-viscosity-2004.html

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: buster
Looks good but the 20 grade is now a 30 grade.


The 40 is now a 30!!

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: buster
Looks good but the 20 grade is now a 30 grade.


The 40 is now a 30!!


Will either one have any bearing over wear. If so can you explain?

 

[JSP]

The post for the first UOA for the Miata shows VIS@100 13.26cst.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...174#Post1239174

 

[cheetahdriver]

color me WAAAY embarrassed. i felt so good about adding the TBN to the column (the original i worked off of didn't have it) that i totally bitbarf'd the vis.

corrected
Code:


OIL M1 0w20 M1 0w40

MILES IN USE 10046 9892

MILES 125.7k 115.7k

SAMPLE TAKEN



ALUMINUM 4 3

CHROMIUM 1 2

IRON 23 23

COPPER 3 5

LEAD 1 1

TIN 0 0

MOLYBDENUM 101 92

NICKEL 0 0

MANGANESE 0 0

SILVER 0 0

TITANIUM 0 0

POTASSIUM 2 2

BORON 52 114

SILICON 21 18

SODIUM 7 7

CALCIUM 2434 3049

MAGNESIUM 13 18

PHOSPHORUS 619 878

ZINC 768 1117

BARIUM 0 0



INSOLUBLES 0.4 0.5

WATER 0 0

FLASHPOINT ºF 400 385

SUS VIS 210ºF 53.5 71.2

cSt @ 212ºF 8.34 13.26

TBN 2.5 2.0

 

[buster]

0w20 held up very well. Viscosity is perfect.

 

[cheetahdriver]

this is what is so shocking to me (now that we have the viscosity mistake out of the way). i have always considered M1 0w40 to be one of the best oils made, yet the 0w20 not only matched or beat the wear metals, but also had a better TBN ( the qt add at 5k undoubtedly helped). while i know OA isn't the final word in the relative merits of oil, the 0w20 also was more drivable in a low hp sports car. in this car at least, i would have to wonder what the reason would be to go back to 0w40, instead of if i should stay with the 0w20.

surprisingly fine performance...

 

[Pablo]

"Thicker is better" died way back when.

 

[Bruce T]

Cheetahdriver, I notice you live in Arizona. Were you running the M1 0W20 in hot weather?

 

[Johnny]

Actually, I think that is Springdale, Arkansas.

Mobil 1 0W-40 works great in cars it is spec'd for. Doesn't the 02 Miata recommend a 5W-30 oil?

Try the Mobil 1 0W-30 and see what happens. I bet your oil consumption will go down.

 

[Brons2]

Considering the consumption and the cost of M1, the 0w40 was probably more cost effective. Was there any difference in mileage? That would of course figure into the determination as to final cost.

Regardless, nice OCI, nice engine.

 

[cheetahdriver]

johnny,

well, that is an interesting question. in the US manual they want you to use ONLY 5w30 (5w20 on the post 05 model year, different engine). several of us on miata.net went to the AUS miata clubs, and got a copy of the Aussie oil viscosity recommendations. while we figured they would be untainted by CAFE regs, i had not figured on the Aussie propensity for heavy oils.

in any event here it is,



as you can see, there is a wide variation of oils that the Australians can use, the 20wt oils are right in the thick of it. the real question i want to know is why are 20w20 (there IS such a thing???) and straight 20wt only good to 100F, while 5w20 is good to ~115F? inquiring minds want to know...

of course, all of this is for dino, so synthetics should do better.