02 Accord 4AT AMSOIL ATF 2974 OCI 78003 total

[benjamming]

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ATF used AMSOIL ATF AMSOIL ATF AMSOIL ATF Honda ATF Z1 Honda ATF Z1 Factory fill

Sample Date 29-Nov-2007 Sep-11-2007 Jan-19-2007 Jan-28-2006 Jan-29-2005 Mar-13-2004

Miles on oil 2,974 15,018 15,003 12,836 10,224 21,948

Miles on car 78,003 75,011 60,011 45,008 32,172 21,948

Make-up oil None None None None None None

Aluminum: 82 118 74 36 27 26

Chromium: 1 1 1 1 1 1

Iron: 54 104 70 60 53 59

Copper: 8 18 8 7 7 9

Lead: 2 2 3 2 1 1

Tin: 0 0 0 1 1 1

Molybdenum: 0 0 1 1 1 0

Nickel: 0 0 0 0 0 0

Manganese: 0 N/A 1 1 0 0

Silver: 0 0 0 0 0 0

Titanium: 0 0 0 0 0 0

Potassium: 0 0 0 0 0 0

Boron: 140 138 209 243 228 222

Silicon: 15 24 14 10 10 11

Sodium: 11 8 7 4 6 9

Calcium: 205 389 323 388 351 334

Magnesium: 44 123 136 258 221 208

Phosphorus: 374 239 176 2 8 3

Zinc: 82 159 206 356 320 242

Antimony: NA 1 N/A N/A N/A N/A

Barium: 1 0 1 2 3 4

Viscosity 100C: 6.13 5.9 45.8 44.3 45.4 45.0

Viscosity 40C: NA 27.3 N/A N/A N/A N/A

Flashpoint: 410 355 365 340 350 355

Water: 0.0 306 (KF) 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

Insolubles: 0.1 0 (soot) Trace 0 0 0

Glycol: NA 2.77 N/A N/A N/A N/A

VI: NA 174 N/A N/A N/A N/A

TAN: 1.7 1.13 0.9 0.5 0.4 0.4

TBN: NA 0.6 N/A N/A N/A N/A

Fuel: NA 0.953 N/A N/A N/A N/A

Oxidation: NA 58 N/A N/A N/A N/A

Nitration: NA 6 N/A N/A N/A N/A

Sulfate: NA 59 N/A N/A N/A N/A


A drain & refill of 3 quarts has been performed at every sample interval. The magnet is always cleaned. AMSOIL ATF was used at the latest D&R. I plan on doing a D&R every 3k miles for the next few intervals. ~ 95% of original factory fill is gone.

No shifting problems. Fluid level is good.

The radiator pressure tested fine. The coolant level has not dropped since the last change. This is checked after being stone cold in my garage in the same spot at pretty much the same temperature.

 

[unDummy]

3 quarts out of capacity????

Looks good. Several 3k changes will help rinse out tranny.

Flash up. Visc up. Total wear PPMs down. Additive package looks a little wierd. Glycol gone. Thats the power of lab inaccuracy.

Trace insolubles? Any aftermarket filter? Sorry, too lazy to dig up the previous threads.

 

[benjamming]

Capacity is 7.6 quarts.
No aftermarket filters or coolers.

 

[youdontwannaknow]

Al wear numbers with Amsoil are still way higher than with Z1. What do you make of this ?

 

[benjamming]

The Al has been trending higher, & the AMSOIL did nothing to slow it down or reverse the trend. I'm going to do 2 more 3k mile D&R with ATF and go from there.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: benjamming
The Al has been trending higher, & the AMSOIL did nothing to slow it down or reverse the trend. I'm going to do 2 more 3k mile D&R with ATF and go from there.


Somehow I didn't see this thread earlier - and the tranny hasn't been shifting any differently??? I'm not sure any fluid will slow the demise

 

[youdontwannaknow]

I guess the only way to find out is to go back to Z1, which I am sure will again take a few drain and refills to get all the Amsoil fluid out.

Is it even possible the Amsoil fluid and Z1 didn't 'mix' well together ?

 

[benjamming]

I don't plan on going back to the Z1 stuff.

There are no leaks either (sign of carrier bearings going south) - the undercarriage is still clean.

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: benjamming
I don't plan on going back to the Z1 stuff.

There are no leaks either (sign of carrier bearings going south) - the undercarriage is still clean.

Torque Converter lining and linear solenoid failure is common in these units as well. I have a feeling that the increasing Al might be signaling that one of them is beginning to fail.

 

[benjamming]

Were these ever mentioned in a TSB or Service News?

 

[The Critic]

No, this is from my independent transmission guy.

 

[uunfews]

Amsoil is wearing down your transmission 2x faster then the Z1 fluid it seems

 

[benjamming]

I would disagree. There was an "event" sometime during 2007 that caused a bump in the night but it has trended down since then with AMSOIL ATF & now RLI ATF (shown in later UOAs).