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Hope the APTs continue to work well for you. Some more perspectives from me re the Outpost APT. So everyone in Canada knows about the crazy snowstorm that hit us in early-mid January here in Metro Vancouver. I was in Burnaby at the time and headed home in the late afternoon on the 17th. Snow...

Not sure I'm quite understanding what would lead you to believe 0W-20 (or 0W-30) is superior to 5W-20 (other than I switched from PUP to PP in my current run). Hyundai specs 0W-20 for my vehicle. My oil history so far is: -0W-20 PUP (non dexos 1 gen 3); -5W-20 PUP (non dexos 1 gen 3); -0W-20...

Funny thing is that PP "the lower tier" is carries the dexos 1 gen 3 label (which specifically addresses preignition and timing chain wear), the higher tier PUP OTOH does not carry the label (although probably passes nonetheless as noted above, but we'll never know for sure).

What is the deal with sodium?

Were you going to say something?

Thx. I know you've been very active on the Hyundai Kona forum so your experience matters. Not openly advocating for extended OCIs on the 1.6T smart stream; I'm likely to stay with 8,000 km now that I'm back to 0W-20 (last was 5W-20) and a "lower tier oil" in PP (compared to PUP allegedly) and...

At least PP has a Dexos 1 Gen 3 certification. So maybe I'll stick with PP and forget about PUP? PP (and PUP) are frequently on sale here in Canadian Tire stores.

Below is my 2nd report (PUP 5W-20). My first one is here (PUP 0W-20): https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2023-hyundai-kona-n-line-1-6l-turbo-0w-20-pennzoil-ultra-platinum-8157-km-oci-10-260-km-odometer.370862/ As the smartstream is a DI engine, fuel dilution and timing chain wear are...

My 2 criteria here in Metro Vancouver (BC): 1) Night time temps are consistently less than 0C; AND 2) There will be consistent snow. Otherwise my Michelin PSAS4s will stay on. My Nokian Outpost APTs simply don't have the same handling characteristics as the PSAS4s from even 0C to 5C.

I hear you. My use scenario is Metro Vancouver (British Columbia) which is very similar to the UK. Over here it's moderate and predictable enough that all-weathers is the most people need (and use). There are a lot of Nokian WRG4 and Michelin CC2 users in my area. Yes, the mountains can change...

As a sidenote, I thought this test was simply brilliant. Really goes to show how well performance all-seasons can perform at near 0C compared to even winter tires. I have a set of the PSAS4 and Nokian Outpost APT (road-biased all weather, off-road). In my use scenario I usually keep the...

Makes sense. After all, gasoline and base engine oils are all petroleum hydrocarbon mixtures.

While I've been using PP/PUP for well over 15 years, I'm always open to others. As I mentioned, on my Kona (1.6TGDI), fuel dilution has been cited as an issue (as with all DI motors). I haven't had any issues with fuel dilution based on one UOA after the 2022-2023 winter. Someone at the...

Perplexing how their lower tier "PP" has Dexos 1 Gen 3 approval. I suspect PUP is capable of it, but they haven't gotten around to the licensing thing yet.

I was a PP advocate from 2007-2022 back when I had my Acura RSX Type-S and Ford Focus ST, running around 12000-13000 between oil changes, supported by UOAs. Purchased a 2023 Kona N-Line 1.6T back in November 2022. So far in with 16,000 km on the odometer, I've only been doing 8000 km oil changes...

Michelin HX MXM4 and Goodyear RSA (both terrible in a light sprinkling of snow). Michelin Pilot Exalto (rode like a wet squirrlly noodle).

This seems to be the case based on Canada's Kal-Tire subjective tests. Don't know if the two tires will show up here side-by-side, but nevertheless, you can compare them on their website. The WRG4 is marketed as "low rolling resistance". https://www.kaltire.com/en/compare/?category=tires

Thanks for this. Yeah, re the Kona, it also had to go over some 15-20 cm deep water bar crossings. The Kona doesn't have especially high clearance (7.5") and lower when loaded. It wasn't a big deal though with the proper off-roading technique (approach diagonal, exit opposite diagonal). But for...

Absolutely, why not? After all, they're made in the USA (Dayton, Tennessee). That's a big plus in my book.

I've had my set of Outpost APT on for about a month now to access trailheads in SW British Columbia forest service roads. The FSRs I've been on were not of the severe category, more-less light-moderate off-road and range from well-graded gravel, to sharp shale, to moderately-rutted. And many...