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Originally Posted By: mrendiadi Yeah, but to achieve that result (4l/100) i have really to drive like a granny..if i want to have fun, i do 5.5l/100...but it's still a fine result 7.6 litres in a 170HP petrol Alfa. Checkmate .

I would also stick to manufacturer recommendations, especially not going "down" the SAE route...

Of course, this test measures ONE on the oil characteristics - I never wrote it's more than this.

Originally Posted By: Clevy M1 0w-40 is one of the most certified oils on the planet,and pennzoil with their gtl base is class leading. So I'm not sure what better products you think are out there because there aren't. It's because you say so or their marketing dept. say so? They are to meet...

Originally Posted By: bobbydavro Where in an engine does an oil get cooked in a glass container at over 300C? The water boils in 100C, but it does not mean that it does not start evaporating when it's over 0C... In the turbo engine oil can get as hot as 300C for short periods of time and while...

Why?

This is impressive from 0W-40 Castrol: https://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbmwservice.livejournal.com%2F27699.html&edit-text=

Don't know if it was posted here already- quite an interesting find. And this GTL Shell isn't too impressive, Mobil New Life doesn't look bad, but there are better oils: http://bmwservice.livejournal.com/27699.html

UPDATE: The list was updated yesterday and it looks Motul X-clean 5W-40 has made it: http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.51_en.html

The document for Lukoil MB-Approval states that Approval is valid as long as it is published online - which would at least mean that whatever is there, is approved.

With "Last update: 12/04/2014" it's fresh enough, I think (I assume it's an American date, so it's 4th of December, not 12th of April ).

All I could find is that they used to produce at Rafineria Gdanska S.A., now LOTOS S.A. and that LOTOS S.A. is the sole fuel provider for Shell in Poland, so I guess the same goes for engine oils. LOTOS produces also their own 229.5 and 229.51 approved oil, as well as they used to provide oils...

Originally Posted By: chrisri Lm carries only MB 229.3 and not 229.5 specification witch demands (among other things) NOACK under 10%. I'm not defending this oil (I won't be using it anyway), but VOA shows a NOACK of 7.7%. Originally Posted By: chrisri It doesn't have FIATs z2 spec. Shell...

Originally Posted By: zveroboy Selenia KPE MA is almost twice the price of others. But it's the only one with FIAT 9.55535-s2 AND MB229.51 However, I don't find it on the official MB229.51 list of approuvals (your link)! Too récent, maybe? If it's not there, it's not approved. Period. Same...

Still, I believe the aim of R&D is now not making exceptional oils but making them as cheap as possible, as long as they meet certain requirements...

If you want a Full SAPS 5W-40 then this LM looks pretty good: PDS: http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/mediendb.nsf/gfx2/1306%20Synthoil%20High%20Tech%20SAE%205W-40.pdf/$file/1306%20Synthoil%20High%20Tech%20SAE%205W-40.pdf VOA: http://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/4429-4429/ Helix Ultra VOA for...

That's why it's better to go the other way round. You start here: http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.51_en.html And then eliminate those you are not interested in . It's a fairly easy exercise and you end up with 3, max 4 oils to choose from.

Motul X-clean is also ACEA C3... But, actually, as far as I know, you don't need to use Selenia. The manual only states that ACEA C3 and SAE 5W-40 viscosity are a must.

There's no such, as far as I know. I've read on some American forums, that they accepted Motul X-clean 5W-40 there as a service oil for Fiat 500 MA due to shortage of Selenia in the States, but no official info. After doing the research I will finally settle for Midland Synova 5W-40, I guess.

It doesn't say too much, does it?