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Despite my best efforts for a Friday pickup, banks were closed and I was greeted Saturday morning to my daughter asking when are we picking up the new car. Picked up a 2026 Dodge Durango Hellcat from a local (40 min drive) dealer on Saturday with my daughter who loves cars. I had an order for...

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Anecdotal evidence I have not noticed a difference. Liqui moly uses tungsten where pennzoil uses boron, both are stellar anti wear additives. People have reported very long and successful UOA with pennzoil. For double the price there is no reason to not use pennzoil.

Would probably gain respect and a long term customer with honesty.

They would probably just be re-disributing sales. Let's say mobil EP now has 229.71, so people might buy EP instead of ESP. There is a euro approval from every big player already.

I agree 100%. People comparing used oil analysis across multiple platforms to crown an oil champion is way out of scope.

If not comparing to another sample or being done in a controlled setting then we want a huge sample.

I would argue it also has an exclusivity component as well. Anyone can get an off the shelf oil but not everyone knows to order from an online euro shop like ECS or FCP euro. Same thing can be said for Amsoil indys, makes you feel like the shop has something "special".

Show of hands... How many Hondas are on the road still with a lifetime of 0w20. How many production engines are more power dense than the M139 which specs a 0w20. Ps thats 208 hp/liter. The new zr1 is sub 200.

So you are saying if you drive a grocery getter making 240hp on north American roads at 40 mph you don't need a xxw40? That is RIDICULOUS.

The issue with the 6.2 is a manufacturing flaw. Moving to a 40 grade is only covering up the issue.

Esp 0w30

Bought some PUP after reading the lakespeed thread but have a stash of Castrol EDGE Extended Performance 229.71. Hindsight I could have went with ESP.

Amsoil aka Fram in the K20. I did an early break in change with an Oem filter and left it on till 5. Now I do oil changes every 3-6k and just let the MM run for filters.

Still has 229.71 also

The AMG M139 turbo is cooled by air, water, and oil. Daily driving oil temps are 160-170f. Your average grocery getter with a turbo isn't going to endanger oil temperature. If it is power dense like the M139 then manufacturers incorporate proper cooling.

I highly doubt a jub of PP that was mixed as part of a massive batch is comprised due to the human sense of smell and an amber color.

80qts of 0w20 EP edge 229.71, 16 qts of 5w30 edge euro, 6 qts HPL 0w20 supercar, 6 amsoil filters aka frams

They are probably happy with fleet mpg/protection on a xxw20

No extra oil fee for PA.