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Originally Posted By: Brent_G So you are saying a dealer would commit fraud over a few Dollars? Oil changes don't pay the bills, that extra $10 is nothing to a shop. Cheap oil changes survive off of upselling. Multiply each by many customers/day, and add one lazy employee who is late for...

Originally Posted By: Brent_G Originally Posted By: antiqueshell And Motorcraft 0w20 syn blend doesn't exist too..riiight. LOL It exists. Dealerships don't have to stock it. Don't their hybrids require it? I guess they can just always use 5w-20 in hybrids if they need to.

Originally Posted By: Nate1979 Has anyone actually checked with the shop to see if they offer a synthetic blend in 0w-20 or are people just ASSuming they performed fraud? People need to take their tin foil hats off. Putting in M1 Ext Perf 0w-20, an excellent oil, is not 'fraud', thats going...

Originally Posted By: wemay Originally Posted By: 19jacobob93 I'd rather have a 6 over a turbo 4 any day. Mainly because I've had 4 (inc turbo) and 6 cylinder cars and I prefer the smoothness of the 6s. Also the 6 cylinder will always be more reliable (for most makes at least) Our Hyundai 2.0T...

Originally Posted By: jigen Fast and great MPG is a tough criteria to meet. What would be "fast" and what would be "great MPG" in your personal opinion? Mostly anything that pushes the envelope of whats possible. Like the Accord v6, its fast by any standards, and gets great MPG. Always a...

Change the oil right away, if its like my experience. I bought an 07 BMW from a non-BMW dealer, and right away found out they changed the oil as part of their "standard procedure", except they just used bulk SM 5w-30 oil. Thats OK for a while, like 4,000 miles or 4 months anyway! .... On the 07...

Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh Motorcraft only makes a full syn 0W-20 and it would have been just as much. "Syn-blend 0W-20?" Really? Have you seen this mythical unicorn? Maybe the guys at the Ford dealership should have gone over to the Honda dealership and bought some? I bet it really...

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell Oh, and I actually worked in the auto retail business for 25 years as a detailer, at various $tealers and indy shops...the poor reputation they have is not imagination, I witnessed all manner of crookedness and incompetence all ALL the stores I worked at...

Originally Posted By: tig1 You are wrong on several counts. 1) MC does not make a 0-20 syn blend. Yep, they do. Motorcraft 0w-20 synth-blend Link ... I was surprised too, I thought only Honda had a synth-Blend in 0w-20, all else full-syns.

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL Originally Posted By: FetchFar You are experienced and wise about that fact. I sometimes can't believe BMW would put that oil level indicator (tells what level, not just when low) That's the way the older BMW stuff was. My M5 has a traditional dipstick and a...

Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack If you keep a car for a long time a 4-cylinder means one head, one exhaust header and should mean less complication with extended maintenance of say a 10 to 15 year time period. A 4-cylinder might mean easier routine maintenance, as well. If a car is a...

Originally Posted By: geeman789 Oh, I recently inquired about the shop rate at a local Honda dealer... $$$$$$. 148.50 per hour. $$$$$ Plus the dreaded 10% " SHOP SUPPLIES " add on. The guy who invented that one was brilliant.... I hate him... but still brilliant...! How are shop rates...

Originally Posted By: supton Are any of the recent motors very different in lbs of fuel burned per hp? Put your foot into anything, and it burns gas to get the job done. They vary a bit... One of the big keys is compression ratio: The higher it is, the better the MPG & power. Thats how Mazda...

Originally Posted By: jdelk69 For an oil change and it cost her about $75 plus. They told her that her Camry uses only Ow20 and that they used Mobil 1 extended performance. I told her that she could use 5w20 and for her to buy the oil and filter at Wally World and I'll do it for her! That's just...

One comparison above, the VW 1.8T and the Mazda non-turbo 2.5L, really stands out as why you might not accept the "u gotta have a turbo" crowd: 2014 VW Passat (1.8T) 24/34 170 hp 7.5 sec 2014 Mazda6 2.5L no-turbo 26/38 185 hp 7.0 sec Better fuel economy AND power in a normally aspirated 4 over...

Originally Posted By: Miller88 I'll still take an I6 over anything. BMW did the opposite of that. My 07 530xi has the venerable normally aspirated N52 inline6, yet for a couple of years now you get a turbo4 in its place, or they insist on a turbo on the current 6.

I don't think that Ford's slogan "Power of a V6, MPG of 4" is right a lot of the time. It does depend on the comparison, true sometimes, not in others. Notice the big Taurus with a 2L Ecoboost 4 actually gets great MPG with reasonably 0-60 times. ... This discussion of "how you drive" is...

Originally Posted By: Clevy Am I to understand that the 2014 corvette has a turbo 4 cylinder engine. Pretty good power though corrections: 2014 Corvette Stingray v8 17/29 460 hp 3.9 sec 2011 Cadillac CTS-V v8 12/18 556 hp 3.9 sec

Originally Posted By: Miller88 They would both have to gear down and would probably be running the same RPM (flat torque curve on the EB 4 cylinders) but my money would be on the Honda v6 for fuel economy. ...On the flat - ecoboost hands down. From the city MPG numbers, the turbo-4's have less...

Originally Posted By: gofast182 The data above is flawed because EPA figures aren't always attainable in real-world driving, particularly with turbo engines. The EPA MPG numbers are simply a way to compare vehicles using the same test, thats all. Sure, you can get better or worse depending on...